Are there any good math books with logarithm basics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for quality resources on the basics of logarithms, including textbooks and online materials. Participants express varying opinions on the necessity of dedicated logarithm books versus the sufficiency of existing algebra textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a dedicated book on logarithms, finding existing college algebra textbooks lacking in proper introductory material.
  • Another participant argues that logarithms are adequately covered in any Analysis I book and questions the need for a separate textbook on the subject.
  • Some participants mention finding useful materials on platforms like Khan Academy and suggest specific books, such as Euler's algebra book and Hall and Knight's Higher Algebra.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between logarithms and exponential functions, with some asserting that understanding inverses does not require calculus, while others contend that calculus is necessary for deeper comprehension.
  • Several participants note that many algebra textbooks at the precalculus level already cover the basics of logarithms and their inverses.
  • One participant highlights the importance of graphs in understanding logarithmic functions, while another questions the necessity of graphical representations.
  • Links to additional resources are shared, including a specific webpage and an online version of Euler's work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a dedicated logarithm book is necessary, with some asserting that existing algebra textbooks suffice while others advocate for more focused resources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of calculus for understanding logarithmic concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the historical context of algebra education, noting that older texts may not align with modern teaching methods, particularly regarding graphical representations and calculus concepts.

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I have a couple of college algebra textbooks , but none has some proper intro to logarithm basics .
I like to keep a book for logarithm alone , i see some online PDF's on logarithm , but all are sort of messed up .

Please help
 
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Well, you define the natural logarithm as the inverse of the exponential function, which itself is completely defined on entire ##\mathbb{C}## by its power series. Why one should need an extra textbook for this pretty unproblematic subject is not clear to me. You find it in any Analysis I book (for real numbers at least).
 
You need to know Calculus if you want to understand why the exponential functions, and it's inverse behaves.

You have to take definitions as is, for now.
 
The main idea for the log. Is you need to show what it means for a function to have an inverse.

Then you need to know about limits... etc

The MVT is used for the proof of this.

Pretty
 
i recommend eulers algebra book, available free online
 
Thanks a lot for all the replies :-)
 
MidgetDwarf said:
You need to know Calculus if you want to understand why the exponential functions, and it's inverse behaves.
I disagree. Most algebra books at the precalculus level present exponential functions and their graphs, and there isn't anything very deep about the graphs of, say, y = 2x or y = 10x. Each of these exponential functions has a log function defined as its inverse, as e.g.,
##y = 10 ^x \Leftrightarrow x = log_{10}(y)##

MidgetDwarf said:
The main idea for the log. Is you need to show what it means for a function to have an inverse.

Then you need to know about limits... etc
The concept of the inverse of a function doesn't require calculus or limits.
 
awholenumber said:
I have a couple of college algebra textbooks , but none has some proper intro to logarithm basics .
Any decent college algebra textbook should have a "proper" introduction to the basics of logarithms. It doesn't require a whole book to cover this relatively small topic.
 
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Mark44 said:
Any decent college algebra textbook should have a "proper" introduction to the basics of logarithms. It doesn't require a whole book to cover this relatively small topic.
That's about right. You learn the "basics" of logarithms when you study Intermediate Algebra, and you go through the same in your College Algebra course (including their textbooks). You review exponential functions in Intermediate Algebra, learn about inverse functions, and then are instructed how the logairthm is the inverse of exponential function.
 
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Mark44 said:
I disagree. Most algebra books at the precalculus level present exponential functions and their graphs, and there isn't anything very deep about the graphs of, say, y = 2x or y = 10x. Each of these exponential functions has a log function defined as its inverse, as e.g.,
##y = 10 ^x \Leftrightarrow x = log_{10}(y)##

The concept of the inverse of a function doesn't require calculus or limits.

The proof of inverse of exponentials does...
 
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awholenumber said:
I have a couple of college algebra textbooks , but none has some proper intro to logarithm basics .
I like to keep a book for logarithm alone , i see some online PDF's on logarithm , but all are sort of messed up .

Please help

I think you need higher algebra by Hall and Knight.
 
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Mark44 said:
The concept of the inverse of a function doesn't require calculus or limits.

MidgetDwarf said:
The proof of inverse of exponentials does...
Not if you define logarithms as the inverses of exponential functions. Since the OP asked specifically about logarithm basics, it really isn't necessary to define ##\ln(x)## in terms of an integral.
Buffu said:
I think you need higher algebra by Hall and Knight.
If you don't mind a book that was written in 1887. It's certainly comprehensive in what it covers, and would serve as an excellent reference of what used to be taught in algebra classes over a century ago. The book would not be useful for a student who plans to take calculus, as it doesn't consider functions and their graphs -- in fact, there's not a single image in the entire book.
 
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Mark44 said:
If you don't mind a book that was written in 1887. It's certainly comprehensive in what it covers, and would serve as an excellent reference of what used to be taught in algebra classes over a century ago. The book would not be useful for a student who plans to take calculus, as it doesn't consider functions and their graphs -- in fact, there's not a single image in the entire book.

Why you need graphs ?
 
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Buffu said:
Why you need graphs ?
You're kidding, right? There's an old saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words."

A graph conveys a lot of important information that can be grasped almost instantly, such as its intercepts, where it is increasing or decreasing, its concavity, and more.
 
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