Are There Infinitely Many Rational Numbers Between Two Irrational Numbers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether there are infinitely many rational numbers between two different irrational numbers. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate this concept, touching on the density of rational numbers and the implications of finite versus infinite sets of rationals in the interval.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that by assuming there are only a finite number of rational numbers between two irrational numbers, one can derive a contradiction based on the density of rationals.
  • Others argue that if there exists at least one rational number between two irrationals, then one can find additional rationals by inserting new ones between existing ones.
  • A participant highlights that the assumption of having only a finite number of rationals does not account for the possibility of having just one rational number between the two irrationals.
  • Another participant mentions the fundamental theorem stating that between any two real numbers, there exists a rational number, suggesting that this implies the existence of infinitely many rationals in the interval.
  • Some express frustration with the question itself, suggesting it is overly simplistic or ridiculous.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the existence of infinitely many rational numbers between two irrational numbers. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, with some participants challenging each other's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on the assumption of the density of rational numbers without fully addressing the implications of having a finite number of rationals, including the case of having only one rational number between the two irrationals.

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Show that there are infinitely many rational numbers between two different irrational numbers and vice versa.

So I started as such:
WLOG let $a,b$ be irrational numbers such that $a<b$. By theorem (not sure if there is a name for it), we know that there exist a rational number $x$ such that $a<x<b$.

If I can show there is another irrational between $a$ and $b$, I could then use the fact that between every two rational numbers there is a rational number and repeated applications would show that there are infinitely many.
 
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dwsmith said:
Show that there are infinitely many rational numbers between two different irrational numbers and vice versa.

So I started as such:
WLOG let $a,b$ be irrational numbers such that $a<b$. By theorem (not sure if there is a name for it), we know that there exist a rational number $x$ such that $a<x<b$.

If I can show there is another irrational between $a$ and $b$, I could then use the fact that between every two rational numbers there is a rational number and repeated applications would show that there are infinitely many.

Hi dwsmith, :)

I would argue it like this. Let \(a\) and \(b\) be two different irrational numbers and suppose that there are only a finite number of rational numbers in-between \(a\) and \(b\). So we have,

\[a<x_{0}<x_{1}<\cdots<x_{n}<b\]

where \(x_{0}<x_{1}<\cdots<x_{n}\) are rational numbers. Now there is no rational number between, \(a\) and \(x_{0}\) which leads to a contradiction since http://www.proofwiki.org/wiki/Between_Every_Two_Reals_Exists_a_Rational that between any two real numbers there exist a rational number.

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Let $a$ and $b$ be two different irrational numbers.
Suppose there are only a finite number of rational numbers between $a$ and $b$.
$$
a < x_1 < x_2 < x_3 < \cdots < x_n < b\quad\text{where} \ x_i\in\mathbb{Q}
$$
We know that between any two rational numbers there exists another rational number.
So
$$
a < x_1 < y_1 < x_2 < \cdots < y_{n - 1} < x_n < b
$$
where $y_i = \frac{x_i + x_{i + 1}}{2}\in\mathbb{Q}$.
We can continue this process indefinitely; furthermore, the rational numbers in $(a,b)\sim\mathbb{Z}^+$.
Hence, they cannot be finite.
 
dwsmith said:
Let $a$ and $b$ be two different irrational numbers.
Suppose there are only a finite number of rational numbers between $a$ and $b$.
$$
a < x_1 < x_2 < x_3 < \cdots < x_n < b\quad\text{where} \ x_i\in\mathbb{Q}
$$
We know that between any two rational numbers there exists another rational number.
So
$$
a < x_1 < y_1 < x_2 < \cdots < y_{n - 1} < x_n < b
$$
where $y_i = \frac{x_i + x_{i + 1}}{2}\in\mathbb{Q}$.
We can continue this process indefinitely; furthermore, the rational numbers in $(a,b)\sim\mathbb{Z}^+$.
Hence, they cannot be finite.

Hi dwsmith, :)

When you assume "there are only a finite number of rational numbers between $a$ and $b$" there is also the possibility that you have only one rational number in between $a$ and $b$. I think this case is not covered in your proof.

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
What about saying that the rationals are dense in the reals so between (a,b) there are infinitely many rationals?
 
dwsmith said:
Show that there are infinitely many rational numbers between two different irrational numbers and vice versa.
This is a ridiculous question.
The fundamental theorem is: Between any two numbers there is a rational number.
If $a<b$ then $\exists x_1\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that $a<x_1<b$.
Thus if $n>1$ then $\exists x_{n+1}\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that $x_n<x_{n+1}<b$
 
Dont shoot the messenger. I didn't create the question.
 

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