Are There Printing Mistakes in Feynman Lectures on Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around potential printing mistakes in "The Feynman Lectures on Physics," particularly in the Motion chapter of Volume 1. Participants explore specific lines that may be confusing and debate whether these represent errors or misunderstandings.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest there is a mistake regarding the phrase "at the beginning of the 6th minute," proposing it should be "at the beginning of the 7th minute."
  • Others argue that the confusion may stem from the interpretation of time intervals, noting that the "n'th minute" begins at t = n-1 minutes and ends at t = n minutes.
  • A participant mentions that the error is inconsequential and emphasizes focusing on the main point being made rather than minor faults in the text.
  • Some express disbelief that a book by Feynman could contain errors, while others acknowledge that all books can have mistakes.
  • There is a suggestion that Feynman might have been using 0-based counting, which could explain the perceived discrepancy in minute labeling.
  • Another participant critiques the use of "the n-th minute" as unnecessary and advocates for mathematical descriptions in physics.
  • Some participants defend Feynman against the notion that he would deliberately confuse students, while others humorously suggest that he might have introduced concepts that lead to misunderstandings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the identified phrases are mistakes or simply misinterpretations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the errors and their significance.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on the interpretation of time intervals and the potential for misreading or miscommunication in the text. The debate includes varying perspectives on the importance of these errors in the context of the overall teaching material.

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I was reading Motion chapter 8 in Vol 1 and I came across a line in speed topic which seemed confusing. So I checked with others and we concluded that its a mistake. Are there printing mistakes in this book? I will be surprised. Its pearson.
 

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If you think "at the beginning of the 6th minute" is in error, what do you think it should be, instead?

As a guess, perhaps your confusion comes from the fact that the "n'th minute" begins at t = n-1 minutes and ends at t = n minutes.
 
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jtbell said:
If you think "at the beginning of the 6th minute" is in error, what do you think it should be, instead?

As a guess, perhaps your confusion comes from the fact that the "n'th minute" begins at t = n-1 minutes and ends at t = n minutes.
Yes! It should be “at the beginning of the 7th”
 
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rudransh verma said:
Yes! It should be “at the beginning of the 7th”
Did you understand @jtbell 's comment? The 7th minute begins at t=6 and ends at t=7. This is because the first minute begins at t=0.
 
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phyzguy said:
Did you understand @jtbell 's comment? The 7th minute begins at t=6 and ends at t=7. This is because the first minute begins at t=0.
Yeah! If it would be 6th then it would be from t=5 to t=6. But we have 5000ft traveled from t=6 to t=7 ie 7th minute not 6th minute.
 

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rudransh verma said:
Yeah! If it would be 6th then it would be from t=5 to t=6. But we have 5000ft traveled from t=6 to t=7 ie 7th minute not 6th minute.
Yes you are right, he should have said "at the beginning of the 7th minute" or "at 6 minutes".

But this is completely irrelevant to the point Feynman is making: you should focus more on learning the point that is being made rather than finding immaterial faults in the teaching materials.
 
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pbuk said:
Yes you are right, he should have said "at the beginning of the 7th minute" or "at 6 minutes".

But this is completely irrelevant to the point Feynman is making: you should focus more on learning the point that is being made rather than finding immaterial faults in the teaching materials.
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.
 
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rudransh verma said:
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.

RPF says:"we can get a rough idea that she was going 5000 ft/min during the 7th minute, but we do not know, at exactly the moment 7 minutes, whether she had been speeding up and the speed was 4900 ft/min at the beginning of the 6th minute, and is now 5100 ft/min"
Frankly I do not see anything incorrect in this nor do I care . But always remember (from RPF): "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"
 
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rudransh verma said:
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.
You have VERY high standards for great men. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone. Especially when the mistakes are of little importance, like this one.
 
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rudransh verma said:
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.
Maybe you are good in physics, but you don't know much about psychology.
 
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All books have errors, but few have people dedicated to correcting them.

Mike Gottlieb
Editor, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
 
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rudransh verma said:
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.
Have you ever written a scientific paper or lecture notes? If you tell all of us how to safely avoid any typos and mistakes, you'd be a hero!
 
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Couldn't Feynman (and his coauthors) be using 0-based counting here, so that what you call "the first minute" he would call "the 0th minute," and what you call the seventh minute he calls the sixth? Zero-based counting is not uncommon in vernacular English. For example, when referring to the floors of a house, what some people call "the first floor" other's call "the second floor."
 
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I wouldn't use the formulation "the n-th minute" at all. What is this good for? It only underlines why we use math to describe physics and describe motions of particles with help of vectors (position, velocity, acceleration) as function of time.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Have you ever written a scientific paper or lecture notes? If you tell all of us how to safely avoid any typos and mistakes, you'd be a hero!
Thanks for the hero to be!
 
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codelieb said:
Couldn't Feynman (and his coauthors) be using 0-based counting here, so that what you call "the first minute" he would call "the 0th minute," and what you call the seventh minute he calls the sixth?
No, you can see that from the numbers. It is just an inconsequential slip - he probably just misread his notes or was ad-libbing. Or perhaps he did it deliberately to confuse people who can't see the wood for the trees.
 
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pbuk said:
No, you can see that from the numbers. It is just an inconsequential slip - he probably just misread his notes or was ad-libbing. Or perhaps he did it deliberately to confuse people who can't see the wood for the trees.
Your supposition that Feynman would deliberately confuse people (his freshman students) is impertinent, and you are wrong not only about that. For example where it says "but something happened between 3 and 4 and even more so at 5," Feynman is referring to what rudransh verma would call the 4th, 5th and 6th minutes.
 
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rudransh verma said:
It is unacceptable and unimaginable that a book by such a great man could have errors.
It's like saying that it is unacceptable and unimaginable that Messi or Ronaldo misses the penalty.
 
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codelieb said:
Your supposition that Feynman would deliberately confuse people (his freshman students) is impertinent

Well, he kind of did by introducing relativistic mass o0) You can treat it as a half-joke on my side, but I did have a few discussions with people (non-physicists) defending this concept by saying that I don't know much about this issue and I should read Feynman lectures o0)
 
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