Are These Reactions Possible? Understanding Conditions for 2NaOH+K and HCN+K

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential reactions of potassium (K) with sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Participants explore the conditions under which these reactions may occur, including considerations of balancing chemical equations and the reactivity of potassium in different environments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the reaction 2NaOH + K -> KOH + NaOH, noting it is unbalanced and suggesting a corrected version: NaOH + K -> KOH + Na.
  • Another participant asserts that the corrected reaction is plausible, indicating that potassium metal could reduce sodium in molten NaOH.
  • Regarding the reaction HCN + K -> KCN + H, it is mentioned that potassium is highly reactive and will react with acids, with a suggestion to consider the reaction of K with water as a comparison.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the implications of HCN being in aqueous solution, questioning how this affects the reaction with potassium and whether it leads to the production of hydrogen gas.
  • Another participant clarifies that HCN does not have to be in aqueous form and that the presence of water alters the chemistry, noting that the resulting base from the reaction with water could neutralize HCN.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions and implications of the reactions, particularly regarding the state of HCN and the balancing of equations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the reactions' feasibility and conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of balancing chemical equations and the influence of reaction conditions, such as the presence of water or the state of HCN, on the outcomes of the proposed reactions.

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hello,

I would like to know if following reactions are possible/correct and under what condition:
2NaOH+K->KOH+NaOH

and

HCN+K->KCN+H

Theoretically it should be possible but I'm not sure,Please help me understand

Thanks
 
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starCr said:
hello,

I would like to know if following reactions are possible/correct and under what condition:
2NaOH+K->KOH+NaOH

and

HCN+K->KCN+H

Theoretically it should be possible but I'm not sure,Please help me understand

Thanks

2NaOH+K->KOH+NaOH

This reaction isn't balanced. You start with 2 Na, but finish with one. For a candidate reaction to be a possible "real" reaction, it must be balanced.

You could remove a redundant NaOH from both sides of that reaction, so you get:

NaOH + K --> KOH + Na

I've added on an extra Na to make it balanced.

Yes, this reaction is plausible. K metal added to molten NaOH would reduce the sodium.

HCN+K->KCN+H

K is very reactive. It reacts with many things, like water for example. Can you write an equation for the reaction of K metal with water?

HCN is an acid. Will an acid react with K? Would, say, HCl react with K? Yes, it will, even more violently than the potassium will react with water.

To make the reaction more correct, double everything up in the reaction and change the hydrogen to molecular H2.

In an aqueous solution, though, the reaction between the acid and the potassium will compete with the reaction between the water and the potassium.
 
Thanks for your answer Minerva,

but i didn't understood this proposition:
"In an aqueous solution, though, the reaction between the acid and the potassium will compete with the reaction between the water and the potassium."
You say that there is an aqueous solution of HCN? Supposing it exist that means that
HCN(aqueous solution) + K -> KCN + H which will fume? Can you provide an equation for this?

About H2O+K as far as I know will burn until the quantity of K will end

Thanks
 
No, it doesn't necessarily mean HCN must be in a form of aqueous solution, it can be in gaseous form as well. However, chemistry in presence of water will be slightly different, so it is worth of noting the difference, especially when conditions are not clearly stated.

Note, that when using HCN solution, even if K reacts initially with water, resulting base will later neutralize HCN, so the final effect and overall reaction equation will be basically the same.

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