Are theses approaches correct? (entropy change of water turning into steam)

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The discussion revolves around the entropy change of water transitioning from a saturated liquid to steam within an insulated piston-cylinder device at a constant pressure of 150 kPa. The original poster attempts to determine the entropy change after transferring 2200 kJ of energy to the steam, utilizing steam tables and specific enthalpy values.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the original poster's approach, which involves calculating specific enthalpy and quality of the water to find entropy change. Questions are raised about the assumptions regarding phase changes and the implications of constant temperature during the process.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's steps while others provide clarifications regarding the relationship between pressure, temperature, and phase changes. There is an ongoing exploration of how to confirm the process conditions and the validity of using latent heat in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the pressure is maintained constant, which implies that the temperature remains constant during the vaporization of the liquid. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of this assumption and the need for specific temperature information.

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Homework Statement



An insulated piston-cylinder device contains 5 L of saturated liquid water at a constant pressure of 150 kPa. An electric resistance heater inside the cylinder is now turned on, and 2200 kJ of energy is transferred to the steam. Determine the entropy change of the water during this process

Homework Equations


Steam tables
h_f1= specific enthalpy of saturated water in state 1
h2= specific enthalpy in state 2?
h_g2= specific enthalpy of saturated vapor in state 2
h_f2=specific enthalpy of saturated liquid in state 2 =h_f1

The Attempt at a Solution


My first approach:
Step 1: since it has moving boundary work, Q_in=ΔU+W=ΔH=m(h2-h_f1), using steam tables to find the specific volume and specific enthalpy of saturated water at 150 kPa use them to find h2

Step 2: with P=150 kPa, and h2 is known, I need to know which phase is the water in, so I go to saturated water table and I see h_f< h2 <h_g, so it is saturated-liquid mixture, I get to use specific enthalpy of saturated water and vapor from saturated water table. find quality X from h2= h_f2+X(h_g2- h_f2)
( correct me if I am wrong please)

Step 3: with quality X known, I can find s2 from s2= s_f+X(s_fg), and those properties are from saturated water table as well. then finally ΔS= m(s2-s1)=5.72 KJ/K

when I try to check my solution, I saw this approach from chegg:
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this approach looks more straightforward, but I am confused on how its using latent heat of vaporization to check if water change phase or not, since latent heat of vaporization requires constant temperature process but the temperature information is not given, and it concludes the temperature is constant from no phase change, though, temperature can change without phase change right?
 

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Ignore MechRock: it's totally wrong (where he says 'there will not be any phase change').
Your scenario looks a lot better than his. Get started: what is h_f1 ? You'll also need s_f1.
 
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EastWindBreaks said:
constant temperature process but the temperature information is not given
Indirectly it is: 'saturated at 150 kPa' -- Mech looked it up for you.
 
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BvU said:
Ignore MechRock: it's totally wrong (where he says 'there will not be any phase change').
Your scenario looks a lot better than his. Get started: what is h_f1 ? You'll also need s_f1.
Thank you!
 
Your step 1 is correct. Once you see that ##h_2-h_{f1}## is less than the heat of vaporization, you know that not all the water has evaporated. So you know that the process takes place at constant pressure and temperature, and $$\Delta S=Q/T$$However, there is nothing wrong with the way that you solved it.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Your step 1 is correct. Once you see that ##h_2-h_{f1}## is less than the heat of vaporization, you know that not all the water has evaporated. So you know that the process takes place at constant pressure and temperature, and $$\Delta S=Q/T$$However, there is nothing wrong with the way that you solved it.
Thank you, but how do you know its a constant temperature process from the fact that it's in liquid-vapor mixture state?
 
EastWindBreaks said:
Thank you, but how do you know its a constant temperature process from the fact that it's in liquid-vapor mixture state?
They told you that the pressure is held constant, so, for vaporization of a pure liquid at constant pressure, the temperature is constant.
 
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Chestermiller said:
They told you that the pressure is held constant, so, for vaporization of a pure liquid at constant pressure, the temperature is constant.
is there an equation that shows this relationship?
 
EastWindBreaks said:
is there an equation that shows this relationship?
Didn't they teach you that as a pure liquid vaporizes at constant pressure, its temperature stays constant. We know that when you boil water at 1 atm pressure, for example, its temperature remains constant at 100 C until it is all gone. The Clausius-Clapeyron equation describes the relationship between the equilibrium vapor pressure and the equilibrium temperature of a pure substance.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Didn't they teach you that as a pure liquid vaporizes at constant pressure, its temperature stays constant. We know that when you boil water at 1 atm pressure, for example, its temperature remains constant at 100 C until it is all gone. The Clausius-Clapeyron equation describes the relationship between the equilibrium vapor pressure and the equilibrium temperature of a pure substance.
oh wow , yeah, I can't believe I forgot about that..I was reading that part just two weeks ago, thank you!
 

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