Are Viruses Considered Living Organisms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether viruses should be classified as living organisms. Participants explore various definitions of "alive" and the characteristics that might qualify an entity as living, including reproduction, metabolism, and movement. The conversation encompasses theoretical and conceptual aspects of biology.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the definition of "alive" must be established before determining if viruses are living, highlighting that viruses have hereditary material.
  • Others suggest that if being alive is defined by the ability to reproduce, then viruses could be considered alive, while if it includes metabolism and independent movement, then they are not.
  • A viewpoint is presented that viruses lack metabolism and depend on host cells for reproduction, which leads some to conclude that they are not alive.
  • Some participants theorize that viruses may have evolved from ancient bacteria, suggesting a connection to living organisms.
  • There is a suggestion that the debate often revolves around differing interpretations of what constitutes life, with no clear consensus among participants.
  • One participant posits that viruses could be seen as remnants of early life forms, while another challenges the notion of defining life strictly based on independence in metabolic processes.
  • Some express skepticism about the utility of the discussion, questioning the practical implications of classifying viruses as living or non-living.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether viruses are living organisms. Multiple competing views are presented, with ongoing debate about the definitions and characteristics that should be considered.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions of life and the criteria used to classify organisms, indicating that various assumptions and interpretations are at play.

Are viruses alive?


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  • #31
Rader
Everthing exchanges information and energy and under casually efficacious circumstances, complexity increases. Changes in the physical state of viruses and there higher hierarchy, meet these conditions.
Don't also chemical (chaotic) clocks a la Prigogine's nonequilibrium thermodynamics?
 
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  • #32
"From the eye of the I"

Loren Booda said:
Rader Don't also chemical (chaotic) clocks a la Prigogine's nonequilibrium thermodynamics?

You know Loren, you have a keen eye, or you are a chat bot library. Although his work lead here, I think we know that the reason lies deeper.
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1978/JASA9-78Albert.html
 
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  • #33
LW Sleeth said:
You caught me being lazy there :rolleyes:. Okay, what if my bicycle wheels were connected to a belt that ran an assembly line which robotically produced other bicycles.

Interesting. But the robots had to 'construct' not 'produce' another of its counter-part, which doesn't even include one of its own kind. A bicycle would have to reproduce its self, not a robot doing it for another mechanical object. That bicycle which was constructed doesn't even embody the same features as its creator, most likely. Even so, the robot that manufactures the bicycles needs an operator, and that operator [if isn't human] has another robot to control "order" in manufacturing. So by default a human had to create the robot that constructs the bicycles from assembly lines. :biggrin:

Life in this process hasn't been produced, only constructed from still inanimate objects, constructing a more mechanical-moving machine.
 
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  • #34
Jeebus:
What is the difference between "to produce" and "to construct"?
 
  • #35
Imparcticle said:
Jeebus:
What is the difference between "to produce" and "to construct"?

Heh, I knew I was going to have this question. I shouldn't have used 'construct', but it by no means effects the analogy.

This is how I see it. Production of living organisms mentioned above reproduces other organisms to produce a new organism. (Virus) --> To construct, in my term above is already made up of mechanical mechanisms of inanimate objects to begin with, including scrap metal, nuts, bolts, gears, etc, that is what I was referring to as constructing a larger, more intelligent robot constructing a lesser robot of less intelligence, ergo the bicycle is formed.
 

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