Are We Missing Hidden Dimensions in Our Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of hidden dimensions in the universe, particularly focusing on the implications of extra dimensions as suggested by gravitational experiments. Participants explore the potential scales of these dimensions and the relevance of different fundamental forces in probing them.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about using gravity to probe extra dimensions, questioning why electromagnetism, which has been effective at atomic scales, is not utilized instead.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the implications of large extra dimensions, such as the potential for physical objects to "vanish" from our world if they could travel within these dimensions.
  • One participant mentions that in models with large extra dimensions, gravity is the only force that can access them, while other forces are constrained to a brane, which may explain gravity's relative weakness.
  • Another participant notes that while large extra dimensions could exist, they argue that electromagnetic interactions do not extend into these dimensions, suggesting a limitation in our current understanding of the universe.
  • There is mention of different models that propose varying behaviors of particles in relation to extra dimensions, with some models suggesting that if dimensions are large, only gravity can perceive them, while others indicate that all particles could see them if the dimensions are at the Planck scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of extra dimensions and the appropriate forces to investigate them. The discussion remains unresolved with differing opinions on the implications and models presented.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific models and assumptions about the nature of forces and dimensions, as well as the unresolved status of the proposed experiments and their interpretations.

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I've heard that extra dimensions can be (due to gravitational experiments) of dimensions ~some millimeters...
I'm quiet skeptical about this issue... Why would someone choose gravity (such a weak force for those experiments) to determine the scale? why not use Electromagnetism , that has allowed us to see up to ~some Armstrong scale (seen the atoms)? with the last, we know that we haven't seen any extra dimensions up to that scale...
Moreover on that, if the extra dimensions were really of order of some millimeters, then a dust of dirt could be completely erased from our world - being able to travel within those dimensions. It doesn't sound nice...

I am sorry if this belongs to Beyond SM, but it's not about "research".
 
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ChrisVer said:
I've heard that extra dimensions can be (due to gravitational experiments) of dimensions ~some millimeters...
I'm quiet skeptical about this issue... Why would someone choose gravity (such a weak force for those experiments) to determine the scale? why not use Electromagnetism , that has allowed us to see up to ~some Armstrong scale (seen the atoms)? with the last, we know that we haven't seen any extra dimensions up to that scale...
Moreover on that, if the extra dimensions were really of order of some millimeters, then a dust of dirt could be completely erased from our world - being able to travel within those dimensions. It doesn't sound nice...

I am sorry if this belongs to Beyond SM, but it's not about "research".

Well there are various models where different things happen, but if the extra dimensions are 'large' then one might constrain the Standard Model particles and forces to live only on some hypersurface of the higher-dimensional space, i.e. on a brane. Stuff will therefore not leave the brane and apparently "vanish" from our world. Usually, though, gravity is not constrained to live on the brane, and can propagate in the bulk spacetime, which is then an explanation for why it appears so weak compared to the other forces (it is "diluted" by more dimensions). I don't know exactly what experiments you refer to, but that might be one reason why gravity is the relevant probe of the new physics.

This let's the "real" scale of gravity, i.e. the real Planck scale, be much lower than we usually expect, and can be a way to solve the hierarchy problem. But as I said it depends on some model details.
 
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ChrisVer said:
I've heard that extra dimensions can be (due to gravitational experiments) of dimensions ~some millimeters...
I'm quiet skeptical about this issue... Why would someone choose gravity (such a weak force for those experiments) to determine the scale? why not use Electromagnetism , that has allowed us to see up to ~some Armstrong scale (seen the atoms)? with the last, we know that we haven't seen any extra dimensions up to that scale...
Moreover on that, if the extra dimensions were really of order of some millimeters, then a dust of dirt could be completely erased from our world - being able to travel within those dimensions. It doesn't sound nice...

I am sorry if this belongs to Beyond SM, but it's not about "research".

In this kind of model where the extra dimensions are large (mm instead of Planck scale), only gravity can see the extra dimensions. There are other kinds of models where all particles see the extra dimensions but then the dimensions won't be large. They will be in the Planck scale.
 
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ChrisVer said:
why not use Electromagnetism , that has allowed us to see up to ~some Armstrong scale (seen the atoms)? with the last, we know that we haven't seen any extra dimensions up to that scale...
Right. That's why we know if there are large extra dimensions, the electromagnetic force does not extend into them, and we need gravity to search for them.

There is nothing wrong with a model of large extra dimensions that includes the electromagnetic interaction in them, but we already know we do not live in such a universe.
 
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