Are women more beautiful than men

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The discussion centers around perceptions of beauty between women and men, with many participants asserting that women are generally seen as more beautiful. Various comparisons are made, likening women's bodies to fine sculptures and men's to rugged vehicles, highlighting the aesthetic differences. Participants note that while women often have more sexually attractive bodies, beauty is subjective and varies by individual preference. The conversation also touches on aging, with some arguing that women face higher standards of beauty and scrutiny regarding their appearance compared to men. There are mentions of societal pressures and personal experiences that shape perceptions of attractiveness, with an acknowledgment that both genders can be attractive in different ways. The dialogue emphasizes that beauty is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, influenced by personal tastes and cultural factors.
  • #51
ok, confession: I'm not a skinny girl... matter of fact, I'm probably the opposite... seriously. I'm not as fat as they come, but I'm significantly bigger than many of my friends. I dated and was engaged to a skinny guy, i never believe he thought i was beautiful because of my weight. I'm now dating a different guy, who insists everytime i see him, that I'm more beautiful than before, he's also very obviously sexually attracted to me... but i still don't feel like an attractive girl. Its really phenominally difficult to understand why someone would like my looks. they way I've seen it is that, well, my face is pretty-ish, so hopefully that's enough for someone to not dwell on my size.

i look at the pictures of models, and i can't believe anything other than that would be beautiful. all my friends are small and beautiful. i think I'm probably the only girl above a size 1, (and I'm quite above that.) its obvious when we go out who people find more attractive.

lately I've gotten so confused. I've actually talked to people who say they like round or thick girls... fat even? i just don't understand it. i really don't. I've even had guys who generally like skinny girls say that I'm plenty attractive... which is even more confusing, because I'm not skinny at all, i don't understand it.

the more i think about this thread, the worse i feel about things. i don't feel as critical at all when i look at men, and i can see they beauty in most guys. but in women... its so easy to see all the flaws.
 
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  • #52
Gale17 said:
lately I've gotten so confused. I've actually talked to people who say they like round or thick girls... fat even? i just don't understand it. i really don't. I've even had guys who generally like skinny girls say that I'm plenty attractive... which is even more confusing, because I'm not skinny at all, i don't understand it.
What makes a woman attractive or not depends on the individual man you're asking. That's all there is too it. Huckleberry echoed Kerrie, and so will I: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

A guy can look at a woman and think she's very beautiful, and, at the same time, not be all that sexually attracted. A different woman, one who falls outside what he thinks of as "beautiful" can affect him, because of the whole picture, such that he's much more attracted to her. We are very much affected by the way women move, for example. Women move in an essentially "unmale" way that draws attention to itself and fascinates us.

Example: If a guy picks up a glass of water he most likely uses way more strength or muscle than is necessary. A woman is much more likely to pick it up with the least possible effort, and it comes off as graceful.

In addition, there is all the body language and facial expression stuff that most men don't know how to describe and analyze. It is always powerfully affecting them, but they don't talk about it with much sophistication. A guy can say a girl has a sexy walk, but that's about the extent of it. They end up doing a lot of talking to each other about women's boobs and such, by default.
 
  • #53
Gale all I can tell you is that its not your body fat index or even your height or even your IQ that turns a guy on sometimes... its a combination of all these factors.

You have a beautiful face, and girls should be soft and plushy like teddy bears, plus for reproductive purposes a big girl is far better for pregnancy than a skinny girl. All these things play out in a guy's mind, and yea sure he might cheat on you with a skinny b----h, but at the end of the day he comes back crawling to you and asking for forgiveness
 
  • #54
Are male aliens more beautiful or female aliens more handsome?
 
  • #55
Different people like different things. Don't believe me? Search google for "fetish".
 
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  • #56
Dr.Brain said:
Are male aliens more beautiful or female aliens more handsome?
The anser to that quetion is an unqualified yes, except on Tuesdays.
 
  • #57
whozum said:
Different guys like different things. Don't believe me? Search google for "fetish".
I was going to bring up the amazing variety of groupings by type you find on porn sites, but, of course, I don't look at porn sites so how would I know?
 
  • #58
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place.
 
  • #59
Gale17 said:
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place.
There's "curvy" and then there's "fat". The only reason I can come up with to explain why someone would be turned on by a really obese woman is that they have a low opinion of their own attractiveness and think that the only women available to them must also be obviously unattractive.

When it comes to "curvy", that is, more often than not, just plain sexy, in and of itself. Still, it always depends on the whole picture.
 
  • #60
zoobyshoe said:
There's "curvy" and then there's "fat". The only reason I can come up with to explain why someone would be turned on by a really obese woman is that they have a low opinion of their own attractiveness and think that the only women available to them must also be obviously unattractive.

When it comes to "curvy", that is, more often than not, just plain sexy, in and of itself. Still, it always depends on the whole picture.

In regards to your earlier quote then, why would people be into amputees, or extremely tall or built women? What makes obese different?
 
  • #61
whozum said:
In regards to your earlier quote then, why would people be into amputees, or extremely tall or built women? What makes obese different?
What I said about why obese women might be attractive to someone was pure speculation. I was just throwing out the most logical sounding idea that occurred to me.

In general, I can't understand any guy who has a loyalty to a "type". Do guys really exist who will only be turned on by blondes? I've heard stories, but I don't understand it.

Here's one possible explanation. A couple/three months ago someone told me the story of a guy who, when he was a kid, had to reach out from his bed and hold his bedroom door closed with one hand while he was entertaining himself with the other to prevent anyone from barging in on him. Later, when he found real girlfriends, it turned out he had so conditioned himself, that he couldn't climax without having his hand on a doorknob. I have no idea if that story is true, or if it's a new urban legend, but it's an interesting story.
 
  • #62
seriously, my head wants to explode... I'm sooooo... is there an other word for confused... cause I've said confused a lot...

i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin... i think... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell what's hot, what's not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense... seriously! guh!
 
  • #63
zoobyshoe said:
What I said about why obese women might be attractive to someone was pure speculation. I was just throwing out the most logical sounding idea that occurred to me.

Makes sense.

In general, I can't understand any guy who has a loyalty to a "type". Do guys really exist who will only be turned on by blondes? I've heard stories, but I don't understand it.

Its usually not only blondes, but blondes have an advantage. It's like preferring Dell's to HP's. An HP can still be a kick-ass copmuter, but you would get the Dell because you like Dell more (or something like that).

Here's one possible explanation. A couple/three months ago someone told me the story of a guy who, when he was a kid, had to reach out from his bed and hold his bedroom door closed with one hand while he was entertaining himself with the other to prevent anyone from barging in on him. Later, when he found real girlfriends, it turned out he had so conditioned himself, that he couldn't climax without having his hand on a doorknob. I have no idea if that story is true, or if it's a new urban legend, but it's an interesting story.

It could be true, but that's more of a psychological conditioning problem rather than a sexual preference. 'Why we have a preference' is a different story than 'do we have a preference'.
 
  • #64
Gale17 said:
seriously, my head wants to explode... I'm sooooo... is there an other word for confused... cause I've said confused a lot...

i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin... i think... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell what's hot, what's not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense... seriously! guh!

Relax. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
 
  • #65
Actually, across cultures, it turns out that the size of a woman is not as important as the hip to waist ratio. Another measure of beauty is symmetry - an indicator of good breeding. A clear complexion and other indicators of good health are generally considered to be attractive features. In fact, in the end it seems that it's all about making babies. At least according to one study, it turns out that universally, men most prefer a hip to waist ratio of 7/9 I think, which also happens to have the highest success rate in childbirth. So at least in one sense it seems our instincts for beauty are really flags for reproductive viability.

The same is true for women. They tend to prefer little grey guys with big heads, black, almond shaped eyes, and like Evo said, long fingers with little suctions cups on the ends. :-p

So why are sunsets beautiful? Also, I dated women who appeared to be very attractive at first, but not so after getting to know them. So how does inner beauty differ from the initial attraction of biological beauty? And how can they reverse roles in such a real sense?
 
  • #66
Gale17 said:
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot?
Yes, you're hot. Unhot women don't get hit on.
i want to be thin... i think... would that make me more or less hot?
You'd probably be about the same. You might attract a different bunch of guys though.
i thought more... what do i actually even look like?
No one really knows what they look like, because what you look like changes depending on who's looking at you.
i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense... seriously! guh!
Now, that's just crazy talk. Anyway, I think the problem is that you're just obsessing too much about it right now.
 
  • #67
zoobyshoe said:
Yes, you're hot. Unhot women don't get hit on.

You'd probably be about the same. You might attract a different bunch of guys though.

No one really knows what they look like, because what you look like changes depending on who's looking at you.

Now, that's just crazy talk. Anyway, I think the problem is that you're just obsessing too much about it right now.

well, i used to think i was hit on as a joke... you know how people can be cruel and stuff right? my family always insisted i was pretty ugly growing up. my sisters were especially mean. my father was too. i have riddiculously gorgeous friends... I'm a bit insecure...

i'm going to go eat a sandwhich now...
 
  • #68
Ivan Seeking said:
The same is true for women. They tend to prefer little grey guys with big heads, black, almond shaped eyes, and like Evo said, long fingers with little suctions cups on the ends.
This misinformation is diametrically opposed to serious research by reputable labs that have continually discovered a female preference for males with height in excess of eight feet, profuse, thick body hair, sloping brow, and prodigiously large feet.
 
  • #69
ROFL

wow Gale that one last line just made me laugh out loud at 4 am.. wow thanks

you are a gorgeous specimen i don't see a problem with hitting on you (as a matter of fact i was a few hours ago :-p )
 
  • #70
You too??

Gale,are you double-crossing me?

Daniel.
 
  • #71
pfft.. whos this loser ^^


:smile:
 
  • #72
Gale17 said:
well, i used to think i was hit on as a joke... you know how people can be cruel and stuff right? my family always insisted i was pretty ugly growing up. my sisters were especially mean. my father was too. i have riddiculously gorgeous friends... I'm a bit insecure...
Well, with sisters and father like that, no wonder you're insecure. They were just plain mean.

Every guy here thinks Pillowhead is hot. Huckleberry, who is fond of claiming looks don't matter, just about drowned in his own drool when he saw pillowhead, and you are generally adored, which I can tell from the attention you get from the guys here. I bet there's tons of guys there and at college who think you're hot. I don't think that, outside your family, there's anything to worry about.
 
  • #73
zoobyshoe said:
This misinformation is diametrically opposed to serious research by reputable labs that have continually discovered a female preference for males with height in excess of eight feet, profuse, thick body hair, sloping brow, and prodigiously large feet.


That's only when they're really young...and WWF groupies. Soon they learn to appreciate the whole mind control, take you in the middle of the night, you are under my control thing. :bugeye:
 
  • #74
Ivan Seeking said:
Actually, across cultures, it turns out that the size of a woman is not as important as the hip to waist ratio.
Yup. Uh huh. I have a thing for a good hip to waist ratio, yep.
Another measure of beauty is symmetry - an indicator of good breeding. A clear complexion and other indicators of good health are generally considered to be attractive features.
These make perfect sense.

No one has mentioned vivaciousness. Really "alive" seeming, snappy-witted, energetic, enthusiastic women are very attractive to me.

That may just be because that is the natural "opposite" to my general demeanor in real life: contemplative, slow thinking, and hard to start.

Is no one else attracted to the vivacious and scintillating, enthusiastic woman? There is no body type or hair color for this, it's an emotional dynamic that I find really appealing.
 
  • #75
Gale17 said:
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place.
This is not really true. This is just a stereotype. The social definition of attractiveness is different from one culture to the next and from one period of time to another. If a guy considers a woman attractive based on the social definition then he probably is considering his own social image. There are plenty of guys that like all shapes and sizes of women.

These super skinny, model lookin' girls are not always healthy. Some have very serious physical and mental disorders. Because a woman is beautiful to social standards does not make her life any easier, or her worries about her appearance any less. If you really want to impress a guy, just be yourself. You're amazing. :smile:
 
  • #76
zoobyshoe said:
Well, with sisters and father like that, no wonder you're insecure. They were just plain mean.

Every guy here thinks Pillowhead is hot. Huckleberry, who is fond of claiming looks don't matter, just about drowned in his own drool when he saw pillowhead, and you are generally adored, which I can tell from the attention you get from the guys here. I bet there's tons of guys there and at college who think you're hot. I don't think that, outside your family, there's anything to worry about.
Hey, I don't remember saying looks don't matter. I just think their importance fades quickly. But how can Pillow Head not be hot? Who else would do such a thing?
 
  • #77
In my eyes, women are better looking than men. My father felt the same way and his father before him. Indeed, hundreds of millions of years of evolution went into that answer. My wife is the best looking one of all.
 
  • #78
jimmysnyder said:
In my eyes, women are better looking than men. My father felt the same way and his father before him. Indeed, hundreds of millions of years of evolution went into that answer. My wife is the best looking one of all.
And she reads over your shoulder, doesn't she? :wink:
 
  • #79
Gale you're definitely very attractive. I'm actually one of those guys that tends to not like girls that are very skinny. Ofcourse I'm open minded to just about anybody type on a woman there are just certain things that tend to catch my eye.

Also, what kinds of guys hit on your "hot" friends? Do they tend to be the kind of guy you would want to date or do they tend to turn out to be jerks? Occasionally I think that it would be nice to be better looking, or more like the steriotypical "hot guy", but when I think about it I realize that most of the girls that would find them selves attracted to me I won't be attracted to. I think that as is I tend to attract more women that are my type than not.
 
  • #80
Huckleberry said:
Hey, I don't remember saying looks don't matter. I just think their importance fades quickly. But how can Pillow Head not be hot?
She can't. Pillowhead is the new PF definition of hot. Even a math crackpot who can't add two single digit numbers in his head can understand The Pillowhead Equation:

Pillowhead = Hot
 
  • #81
Ivan Seeking said:
At least according to one study, it turns out that universally, men most prefer a hip to waist ratio of 7/9 I think
I hope you really meant a waist/hip ratio there, otherwise that's a pretty apple-shaped woman there!

Hmm...will 0.7 do? (Yeah, I just had to grab a tape measure and find out. :biggrin:)

Gale, you have nothing to stress about. Guys all over the place here are panting over you! You are very attractive. You just need to hang out with Italian grandmothers who will reinforce the notion over and over again that men like a woman with a little meat on her bones! Eat! Eat! :biggrin:
 
  • #82
I've found that most women I know think men look better with clothes on than without.

A "hot guy" to me is an average, out of shape guy, love handles and a "pooch" are cute too (not the beer gut hanging over the belt :eek: ) and wears glasses.

Gale, you're absolutely ADORABLE! Listen to what everyone tells you. :approve:
 
  • #83
I used to place women on a pedestal, like many men do, as if they were by nature more ethical and considerate than men. (#2 tries harder.)
 
  • #84
I think that women are often held to much higher standards than men are when it comes to attractiveness, and as such, many women take better care of their bodies than do men. Of course, then you get the flip side of unhealthy diets and rake thin girls. The obsession with the perfect body is crazy in America, especially among teenage girls, or so it would seem.

Either way, as has been said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
  • #85
Moonbear said:
I hope you really meant a waist/hip ratio there, otherwise that's a pretty apple-shaped woman there!

:biggrin: I noticed that later. Yes, that would be the waist to hip ratio.

Here is one for the what was it thread: 36-24-36
 
  • #86
Men are yummy. Uh, did I say that out loud? :blushing:
 
  • #87
SOS2008 said:
Men are yummy. Uh, did I say that out loud? :blushing:

We don't know but you typed it out loud.

Yummy?
 
  • #88
Ivan Seeking said:
:biggrin: I noticed that later. Yes, that would be the waist to hip ratio.

Here is one for the what was it thread: 36-24-36
That would be Barbie's measurements?
 
  • #89
Ivan Seeking said:
We don't know but you typed it out loud.

Yummy?
As in mmmmmm...er, did I type that out loud? :-p
 
  • #90
honestrosewater said:
That would be Barbie's measurements?

in millimeters? :biggrin:

But you may be right in a way... Those were the well known measurements of Rachael Welch. But I think Barbie was modeled after someone famous such as Norma Jeane Mortensen, who had the same or similar measurements.
 
  • #91
Evo said:
I've found that most women I know think men look better with clothes on than without.

A "hot guy" to me is an average, out of shape guy, love handles and a "pooch" are cute too (not the beer gut hanging over the belt :eek: ) and wears glasses.

Gale, you're absolutely ADORABLE! Listen to what everyone tells you. :approve:

Ugh, all those years at the gym :cry:
 
  • #92
Ivan Seeking said:
in millimeters? :biggrin:
:rolleyes: I guess I was asking for that. Anyway, I was probably wrong. I guess there's more than one way to scale her up. I found several different answers: 39-18-33, 38-18-34, 33-18-31, 39-21-33, 36-18-33, 39-23-33. Yeah, that's realistic. Edit: For comparison, my calf is 16 in.
 
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  • #93
hey, um... i just wanted to say thank you... or sorry... or something i guess... to um, everyone i guess. i um, I'm a silly, insecure 17 yr old sometimes... so... yep.
 
  • #94
Danger said:
And she reads over your shoulder, doesn't she? :wink:
I was thinking about adding in something like '16 years of experience went into that answer'. But my wife IS attractive. No, really.
 
  • #95
Gale17 said:
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin... i think... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell what's hot, what's not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense... seriously! guh!
Body shape is just asthetics, like it or leave it, most of it is about social conditioning anyway. Beauty however is something different. Personally, it's the eyes and the mouth that show when a woman is beautiful. A smile to light up your whole day and beautiful eyes to drown in :!)

If you want to lose weight then do it to make yourself happy not for anyone else. A large happy woman who is confident with herself is much more attractive than a miserable 'supermodel' who doesn't know who she is.
 
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  • #96
Daminc said:
Body shape is just asthetics, like it or leave it, most of it is about social conditioning anyway. Beauty however is something different. Personally, it's the eyes and the mouth that show when a woman is beautiful. A smile to light up your whole day and beautiful eyes to drown in :!)

If you want to lose weight then do it to make yourself happy not for anyone else. A large happy woman who is confident with herself is much more attractive than a miserable 'supermodel' who doesn't know who she is.
Daminc is a fetishist.
 
  • #97
Yeh, I'm kinky like that. Eyes and a mouth is a must (preferably on the actual head) :))
 
  • #98
Well,I don't like these kind of questions.I don't know what result you want to get.Suppose we prove that men are more beautiful but for sure you don't leave women and looking for another man tomorrow.and you can't say that I'm more beautiful than every woman coz men are more beautiful. :rolleyes:
sometimes beautiful men have girlish prettiness but no one says that a woman with man appearance is beautiful! :devil:
I saw lots of men who hit the wall or door...when they're looking at a woman but I myself haven't seen this happpens to a woman. :smile: and there are some beautiful woman that even other women want to look at them for so long(I'm not sure why but maybe you can say,they look at them for so long coz they feel jealous :devil: )but do guys have the same experience? :confused:
anyway,I think you have more problems when you're more beautiful. :cry:
 
  • #99
I think you have more problems when you're more beautiful.
Luckily, I don't have that problem

but do guys have the same experience?
I think us guys have less of a problem than ladies because there's less stigma on looking good for men.

The need to look good is force fed to a lot of women everyday so they're probably a lot more conscious of it.
 
  • #100
Daminc said:
Yeh, I'm kinky like that. Eyes and a mouth is a must (preferably on the actual head) :))
I was referring, of course, to you preference for happy fat women over sulky supermodels.
 

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