Area of a parallelogram using determinants

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The problem involves finding the area of a parallelogram defined by two vectors in R^3, specifically v = (1,0,1) and u = (0,2,1). The original poster expresses confusion about how to apply the concept of area using determinants given the three-dimensional context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of the z-component in the vectors and whether it can be ignored. There is mention of using the cross product of vectors derived from the origin to the given vectors to find the area.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of the cross product to find the area. There is an ongoing clarification of steps and the relevance of certain calculations, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is a note about the importance of not ignoring any components of the vectors provided, as well as a reminder that the area of a triangle formed by vectors is half that of the parallelogram.

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Homework Statement



let v = (1,0,1) and u = (0,2,1)

Find the area of the parallelogram {sv + tu : 0 <= s, t <=1)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know the area of a parallelogram is the determinant of a 2x2 matrix, but they gave v and u in R^3. Would I just ignore the z component in this case?
 
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technically there is a 3rd vector which could be r = (0,0,0)

and NEVER ignore any component given in a question like this :P

So, let the origin = r therefore find the vectors rv and ru
Then, find the magnitude of the cross product of the two vectors, rv and ru
i.e. |rv x ru|
Your answer should be the Area of the Parallelogram. The Area of a Triangle formed in vectors is HALF the Parallelogram.

I hope I've been helpful.

missbooty87
 
I could be wrong but isn't (0,0,0)(1,0,1) = 0?
 
cse63146 said:
I could be wrong but isn't (0,0,0)(1,0,1) = 0?

yes... But how is that relevant to your question... i said find the two new vectors and then cross multiply the two new vectors he he... not multiply or cross-multiply the individual vectors he he...

And if I wasn't clear let me rephrase.
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1st step:

find the two new vectors

the first vector is from R to V (i.e. From the Origin to the vector v)
the second vector is from R to U
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2nd step:

Cross multiply the RV and RU (i.e. |RV x RU|)
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3rd step:

Claim that you have the answer
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If you don't understand let me know.
 

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