Area of Triangle with Given Data

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of triangle AEF using given side lengths and height. Participants explore different methods for determining the area, including the standard area formula and potential use of Heron's formula, while addressing uncertainties related to the triangle's dimensions and angles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to determine the lengths of the other two sides of triangle AEF, questioning if it is a right triangle.
  • Another participant asserts that the area formula \(A=\frac{1}{2}bh\) can be applied regardless of whether the triangle is a right triangle, providing a calculation based on the base and height.
  • A participant mentions that the line segments AB and EF appear equal, despite EF looking angled, suggesting that the diagram may not be to scale.
  • Another participant agrees that AB equals EF but also suggests that EF might be greater than AB based on the diagram, while emphasizing that the altitude AB is sufficient for area calculation.
  • One participant questions whether another is attempting to use Heron's formula, implying there may be confusion about the methods available for area calculation.
  • A participant reiterates that the area can be calculated using the base AF and height, reinforcing the earlier claims about the area formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of knowing the lengths of all sides to calculate the area, with some asserting that only the base and height are needed, while others consider the possibility of using Heron's formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the diagram and the relationships between the sides.

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There are uncertainties regarding the triangle's dimensions and the accuracy of the diagram, which is noted to be not drawn to scale. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the relationships between the sides of the triangle.

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For b) area of AEF so one side is 7 - don't know how to get other 2 sides

not sure if right triangle; don't think so

how to use the data given since two of sides are slantedView attachment 6374
 

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A triangle doesn't have to be a right triangle to use the area formula:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}bh$$

For $\triangle AEF$, we have $b=\overline{AF}=7$ and $h=\overline{AB}=5$

Thus, we get:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}\cdot7\cdot5=\frac{35}{2}$$

Suppose you aren't convinced we can use this formula except for right triangles. We could then drop a vertical line from point $E$ to $\overline{AD}$ and label the intersection $G$. $G$ will be to the right of $F$ and we'll say $\overline{FG}=x$

Now, we have the right triangle $AEG$, whose area is:

$$A_1=\frac{1}{2}(5+x)7$$

We also have the right triangle $FEG$ whose area is:

$$A_2=\frac{1}{2}(x)7$$

We can now find the area of $AEF$ by taking $A_1$, the area of the larger right triangle, and subtracting $A_2$, the area of the smaller right triangle:

$$A=A_1-A_2=\frac{1}{2}(5+x)7-\frac{1}{2}(x)7=\frac{1}{2}\cdot7\left((5+x)-x\right)=\frac{1}{2}\cdot7\cdot5=\frac{35}{2}$$
 
Thanks the line AB equals EF - what threw me off was EF looks at an angle - but I guess I assume since not drawn to scale - the 2 lines are the same.
 
alextrainer said:
Thanks the line AB equals EF - what threw me off was EF looks at an angle - but I guess I assume since not drawn to scale - the 2 lines are the same.

I would say, going by the diagram, that:

$$\overline{EF}>\overline{AB}$$

But, as I showed, we don't need to know $\overline{EF}$ since $\overline{AB}$ is the altitude of the triangle.
 
alextrainer said:
Thanks the line AB equals EF - what threw me off was EF looks at an angle - but I guess I assume since not drawn to scale - the 2 lines are the same.

They are not drawn to scale, but it doesn't mean that both are equal. Are you trying to find the area through herons formula? Or it is just that you were unaware about the simpler method?
 
You don't need to know the lengths of the sides of a triangle to find its area. The area of a triangle is (1/2)*base*height. Here the base is AF which we are told has length 7 and the height is 5.
 

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