Area Under ArcTan[x] - Calculate F(x)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the area under the curve of the function arctan(x), exploring various methods of integration and potential errors in the derivation of the integral. Participants engage in technical reasoning and propose alternative approaches to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series of steps for integrating arctan(x) but questions the correctness of their own derivation.
  • Another participant challenges a specific step in the derivation, asserting that the relationship dy = tan^{-1}(x) dx is incorrect.
  • Some participants propose using integration by parts as a method for finding the area under arctan(x), while others suggest exploring series expansions as an alternative approach.
  • There is a mention of the potential for using a Maclaurin series for tan(x) and tan^{-1}(x), raising questions about convergence and the complexity of calculations involved.
  • One participant notes the possibility of using Fourier expansions instead of polynomial integrations, indicating a preference for exploring more complex methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of certain steps in the integration process, and multiple competing methods for solving the problem are proposed. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach.

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Participants highlight limitations related to convergence calculations and the complexity of different methods, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the functions involved.

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Any errors? Please pick out and explain, thanks.

\int{}tan^{-1}(x)dx = F(x)
F'(x) = tan^{-1}(x)
\frac{dy}{dx} = tan^{-1}(x)
dy = tan^{-1}(x) dx
tan^{-1}(\frac{dy}{dx}) = tan(x)
\frac{F'(x)}{1+F^{2}(x)} = sec^{2}(x)
F'(x) = sec^{2}(x)[1 + F^{2}(x)]
F(x) = tan(x) + \int{}\frac{sin(x)}{cos^{3}(x)}dx
F(x) = tan(x) + \frac{1}{2cos^{2}(x)} + C
 
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arctg(dy/dx)=tgx

can you show me arctg(dy/dx)=tgx?



your question is very interesting!
 


Originally posted by kallazans
can you show me arctg(dy/dx)=tgx?



your question is very interesting!


I think I already typed out all my steps...
 
This step is wrong:
dy = tan^{-1}(x) dx
tan^{-1}(\frac{dy}{dx}) = tan(x)

\frac{dy}{dx}= tan^{-1}(x) so
tan(\frac{dy}{dx})= x
 
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Originally posted by HallsofIvy
This step is wrong:
dy = tan^{-1}(x) dx
tan^{-1}(\frac{dy}{dx}) = tan(x)

\frac{dy}{dx}= tan^{-1}(x) so
tan(\frac{dy}{dx})= x

ahh, what was i thinking:\
 
Any other way to find ArcTan[x] area? No Parts please.
 
Hi,

Why not using integration by parts? It's easy to do it that way.

Sam
 
Originally posted by sam2
Hi,

Why not using integration by parts? It's easy to do it that way.

Sam

Well, sometimes the other way might define a new method of solving harder problems.
 
I guess you could expand it in a series and integrate each term, then pick up the pieces again. If the series wouldn't turn out to be infinite as in this case all will be swell.
 
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Originally posted by Sonty
I guess you could expand it in a series and integrate each term, then pick up the pieces again. If the series wouldn't turn out to be infinite as in this case all will be swell.


Isn't Tan(x) and Tan^-1(X) a MacLauren series?
 
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you can expand around 0, of course, or around any other point. The annoying thing is that in the end you have to make all those convergence calculations. you can even go into a Fourier expansion so you won't be integrating polynomials, but cos and sin. whatever. you can always find harder ways to solve simple problems.
 

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