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The discussion revolves around a problem involving three friends, Alan, Brian, and Chester, who are painting a house together. The problem presents a scenario where the time it takes for each individual to paint the house alone is related to the time it takes for all three to paint it together. Participants explore how to set up equations to find the time it would take for Alan and Brian to paint the house together, considering various mathematical approaches.

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  • One participant proposes an initial equation relating the times taken by Alan, Brian, and Chester to paint the house together and alone, suggesting it might involve a quadratic equation.
  • Another participant describes their approach, which led to a cubic equation and provides the derived equation: $$\dfrac{1}{t+1} + \dfrac{1}{t+5} + \dfrac{1}{t+8} = \dfrac{1}{t}$$, resulting in a cubic equation for the total time.
  • A different participant questions the clarity of variable definitions in the proposed equations, suggesting that A, B, and C should represent the times for Alan, Brian, and Chester, respectively.
  • Further elaboration on the relationships between A, B, and C is provided, leading to a system of equations that can be solved for the individual times.
  • One participant summarizes the equations derived from the relationships, indicating that they can be manipulated to form a quadratic equation for B.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views and methods remain throughout the discussion.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, with some suggesting that it may involve both cubic and quadratic equations. There are also concerns about the clarity of variable definitions and the relationships between the times taken by each individual.

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3 friends, Alan, Brian and Chester, paint a house. If Alan had to paint it on his own, it would take him one hour more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together. If Brian had to paint it on his own, it would take him five hours more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together, and Chester 8 hours more.
How much time would it take for Alan and Brian to paint it together?

If Alan had to paint it on his own, it would take him one hour more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together.
Would it be like this?
$$\frac1{A+1}=\frac1A+\frac1B+\frac1C$$?
Will it have something to do with quadratic equation?
 
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Actually, the solution I came up with involved both a cubic & quadratic equation. There may be some clever, short solution, but I was unable to reason one out.

let $t$ be the number of hours it takes for all three painters to complete the job.

$\dfrac{1}{t+1} + \dfrac{1}{t+5} + \dfrac{1}{t+8} = \dfrac{1}{t}$

working this equation yielded the cubic equation

$t^3+7t^2-20=0$

using the rational root theorem resulted in the factorization

$(t+2)(t^2+5t-10)=0$

solving the quadratic factor yielded $t=\dfrac{-5+\sqrt{65}}{2} \approx 1.53 \text{ hrs}$, the time required to complete the job with all three working.

for just A and B ...

$\dfrac{1}{t+1}+\dfrac{1}{t+5} = \dfrac{1}{x}$, where $x$ is the time to complete the job with just A and B working.

Being lazy, I used my calculator ... $x \approx 1.82 \text{ hrs}$

Just curious, where did you get this problem?
 
skeeter said:
Just curious, where did you get this problem?
From another forum. I though it looked simple enough, so I saved it in case I needed it. Turned out I couldn't solve it, so I tried to retrace from which forum it was from, but Google search showed no result. Thanks for your help, though. :)
 
Monoxdifly said:
3 friends, Alan, Brian and Chester, paint a house. If Alan had to paint it on his own, it would take him one hour more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together. If Brian had to paint it on his own, it would take him five hours more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together, and Chester 8 hours more.
How much time would it take for Alan and Brian to paint it together?

If Alan had to paint it on his own, it would take him one hour more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together.
Would it be like this?
$$\frac1{A+1}=\frac1A+\frac1B+\frac1C$$?
Will it have something to do with quadratic equation?
Since you havn't said what "A", "B", and "C" represent it is impossible to say whether that equation is correct or not!

I will presume that "A" is the time, in hours, it would take Alan to do the job alone, that "B" is the time, in hours, it would take Brian to do the job alone, and that "C" is the time, in hours, it would take Chester to do the job alone. The rate at which each works will be 1 "job" divided by the time it takesto do job. Alan works at the rate of [math]\frac{1}{A}[/math] job/hour, Brian works at the rate of [math]\frac{1}{B}[/math] job/hour, and Chester works at the rate of [math]\frac{1}{C}[/math] job/hour.

When people work together their rates add. Working together, their rate will be [math]\frac{1}{A}+ \frac{1}{B}+ \frac{1}{C}=\frac{BC+AC+ AB}{ABC}[/math] job/hour and the time it would take for all three to do the job working together is
[math]\frac{1}{\frac{BC+ AC+ AB}{ABC}}= \frac{ABC}{BC+ AC+ AB}[/math]

If Alan had to paint it on his own, it would take him one hour more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together.
So [math]A= \frac{ABC}{BC+AC+AB}+ 1[/math].

If Brian had to paint it on his own, it would take him five hours more than the time it would take for all three to paint it together
So [math]B= \frac{ABC}{BC+AC+AB}+ 5[/math].

and Chester 8 hours more.
So [math]C= \frac{ABC}{BC+AC+AB}+ 8[/math].

Solve those three equations for A, B, and C.
 
Since this has been here since January and I just can't leave it undone:

We have the three equations

$A= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}+ 1$

$B= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}+ 5$

$C= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}+ 8$
We can write those as

$A- 1= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}$

$B- 5= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}$ and

$C- 8= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}$
So A- 1= B- 5= C- 8

From A- 1= B- 5, A= B- 4.

From B- 5= C- 8, C= B+ 3.
So we can write $B- 5= \frac{ABC}{AB+ AC+ BC}$ as

$B- 5= \frac{B(B- 4)(B+3)}{B(B- 4)+ (B- 4)(B+ 3)+ B(B+ 3)}$.

$(B-5)B(B- 4)+ (B-5)(B+4)(B+3)+ (B-5)B(B+ 3)= B(B- 4)(B+3)$.
Multiply that out and each side will have a term of $B^3$ which will cancel leaving a quadratic equation to solve for B.
 

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