Aspiring Theoretical Physicist Seeks Grand Unified Theory Impact

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The discussion revolves around the aspirations of a young individual seeking to understand the potential societal impact of discovering a Grand Unified Theory (GUT) in theoretical physics. Participants explore the implications of such a theory, the necessary educational pathways, and the relationship between advanced physics and practical technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the impact of a GUT on society is uncertain, questioning whether it would lead to practical technologies or advancements like time travel or the use of dark matter.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of pursuing a physics major and gaining knowledge in various fields such as quantum mechanics, relativity, and group theory to contribute effectively to theoretical physics.
  • Another participant mentions that while new physics may not directly lead to practical technologies, historical examples like the World Wide Web's origin at CERN illustrate potential spin-offs from fundamental research.
  • Concerns are raised about the likelihood of new physics leading to practical applications, with some arguing that such advancements may be hidden in extreme energies not currently applicable to everyday technology.
  • There is a suggestion that a mathematics degree could also be beneficial for those interested in theoretical physics, highlighting the overlap between the two fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and differing views regarding the educational path and the potential societal contributions of theoretical physics. While some emphasize the necessity of advanced degrees and foundational knowledge, others remain skeptical about the practical applications of GUT research.

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Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the direct societal impacts of theoretical discoveries and the varying opinions on the relationship between advanced physics and practical technology. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Who May Find This Useful

Aspiring physicists, students considering a career in theoretical physics, and individuals interested in the societal implications of scientific research may find this discussion relevant.

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I am a sixteen year old aspiring theoretical physicist, my dream is to actually be the one who discover the GUT(I know it sounds a bit quixotic but that won't stop me). I was watching a tv show and it made me think even if I do find a gut theory how will it contribute to society on a large scale? will it make technology easier to build, will it make time travel possible, will it make the use of exotic energies usable such as dark matter possible? So this thought process made me think should I go for another profession one that will actually show a large scale contribution to society( i really want to be a theoretical physicist though). Oh and one more thing will finding such a theory have a direct or indirect impact on society? (if there is any).
 
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One never knows where scientific knowledge will lead.

Just FYI, "dark matter" is not energy as you have stated it to be (any more than normal matter is energy).
 
Makes sense( the dark matter is not energy part)
 
If you want to get on board with GUT theories. I would start by studying Quantum field theory, QM and high energy physics. You will also need a solid calculus understanding and relativity understanding. Also study symmetry, possibly super symmetry. You will also need to understand the standard model of particle physics and all the forms of particle decay and interactions. That will be covered in the previous mentioned fields.
 
G.U.T.finder said:
I am a sixteen year old aspiring theoretical physicist, my dream is to actually be the one who discover the GUT(I know it sounds a bit quixotic but that won't stop me). I was watching a tv show and it made me think even if I do find a gut theory how will it contribute to society on a large scale? will it make technology easier to build, will it make time travel possible, will it make the use of exotic energies usable such as dark matter possible? So this thought process made me think should I go for another profession one that will actually show a large scale contribution to society( i really want to be a theoretical physicist though). Oh and one more thing will finding such a theory have a direct or indirect impact on society? (if there is any).
Your best bet is to pursue a physics major. There is a lot of background knowledge required to make forward strides here, and it's really difficult to get that knowledge on your own. It's potentially possible, if you're extremely self-driven. But it's not easy. And I would also like to stress that learning directly from good scientists is also incredibly important for really understanding how to do science well.

And if the whole physics thing doesn't work out, you're likely to end up making a lot of money with a physics degree under your belt.

That said, some of the topics important for making strides in theoretical physics:
1. Linear algebra
2. Calculus
3. Classical quantum mechanics
4. Special relativity
5. Group theory
6. Quantum field theory
7. General relativity

It would also be worthwhile to study some of the current proposed theories that extend the standard model, such as supersymmetry, string theory, and loop quantum gravity.
 
Thank you you were the first one to actually answer my question and I appreciate it :)
 
G.U.T.finder said:
I am a sixteen year old aspiring theoretical physicist, my dream is to actually be the one who discover the GUT(I know it sounds a bit quixotic but that won't stop me). I was watching a tv show and it made me think even if I do find a gut theory how will it contribute to society on a large scale? will it make technology easier to build, will it make time travel possible, will it make the use of exotic energies usable such as dark matter possible? So this thought process made me think should I go for another profession one that will actually show a large scale contribution to society( i really want to be a theoretical physicist though). Oh and one more thing will finding such a theory have a direct or indirect impact on society? (if there is any).

As evryone has said, if this is the route for you then you need to get an undergrad degree then go on to a pHD in physics. Physics is a commnunity effort these days and you won't be able to be a part of that commuinity wihtout a pHD. Even people like Julian Barbour who has done their work outisde the community still had a pHD in physics.

As to your other issues I think it is unlikley (but not impossible) that going beyond the standard model wil lead to any new practical technologies. The reaosns for this is that any new physics is likely to be hiding from us in extreme energies that are unlikley to be used in paractical devices.
Of course one never knows what spin offs might be seen;the world wide web was invented at CERN. But the purpose of these projects is not to build practical technoliogies for scoiety but to extend our knolwegde frontier ( which usually does have spin offs but there's no knowing these in advance).

If you want a more practical technology I would recommend clean energy technology. A workable fusion power plant or much mmore effecient solar cell could really change the world.

But at the age of 16 you don't need to decide these things. If you get to the PHD level then youll need to decide, maybe 1 or 2 years before that at most. A lot of it will depend on what you are actually good at. If you are not a talented mathemtician its unlikley theory will be the field you excel at. So work hard at school and see how it goes.
 
I should mention that a mathematics degree also overlaps well with theoretical physics.
 

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