Assumptions about arrival independence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the assumption of independence in the context of modeling client arrivals at a bank, particularly using the Poisson distribution. Participants explore the mathematical and physical justifications for this assumption, as well as its implications for data analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to justify the assumption of independence for client arrivals at a bank in a mathematically correct manner.
  • Another participant asserts that the assumption of independent arrivals is necessary for mathematical modeling, but its truth depends on the physical context.
  • A participant mentions the need to explain the choice of the Poisson model for client arrivals before conducting data analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of mathematical justification for assuming independence, with real-world factors such as synchronized lunch breaks and varying arrival times potentially affecting this assumption.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the problem as an academic exercise, where one could analyze the assumptions underlying the Poisson process and assess their applicability to bank customer arrivals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the independence assumption. While some acknowledge its necessity for mathematical modeling, others highlight real-world factors that may contradict this assumption. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the independence assumption in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the independence assumption may not hold due to various external factors influencing client arrivals, such as time of day and external conditions. There is also mention of the need to analyze data to determine how well it fits a Poisson model.

Mark J.
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Hi

How to be mathematically correct about assumption of independence about arrivals of clients at a bank?
Physically I understand that there is no possible dependence between2 sequent arrivals of clients but anyway when I make this assumption I want to be correct according literature.

Maybe some arguments or linking to some literature?

Regards
 
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The assumption of independent arrival is a given for doing the math. Whether it is true or not depends entirely on the physics.

Once you make the assumption (independence), as your question states, then you can do the math using the assumption.
 
My case is clients arriving in bank and I have to explain why I chose Poisson to model this process before entering in data analysis.
Can you give me any explanation on this?
Regards
 
As mathman said, there is no mathematical justification for assuming the arrivals to be independent. The only way to justify it is by consideration of the real world process being modeled. In fact, there are lots of good reasons why they would not be! Many go to the bank in their lunch breaks, and these tend to be synchronised. Some will arrive before the bank opens, creating an initial rush. Others have more flexibility and will pick times when they expect the queue to be short. Weather also creates bunching...
There will be ways of analysing the data to determine how closely it fits Poisson, but that was not your question.
 
Mark J. said:
I have to explain why I chose Poisson to model this process before entering in data analysis.

To imagine that your question has an answer, I must pretend that these are directions for an assignment in a course and not a real world problem. Thinking about it that way, you could say that we imagine a time interval to be divided up into man small bins of, say, 0.1 second duration. Relative to the numberof bins, there are few people arriving and thus a neglible probability of two people arriving simultaneously. A person who intends to arrive at time t will be affected by many independent events that hasten or delay him, so the probability of his actual arrival time is spread out over a time interval.

Such a problem is a typical exercise in mind-reading what an instructor wants you to say. It doesn't have a standard mathematical answer. Your text or instructor probably told you about the assumptions that imply a Poission process. Just go through that list of assumptions and demonstrate that you thought about whether the assumptions hold (approximately) in the case of bank customer arrivals.
 

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