Asymptotic of rational function

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The discussion revolves around the asymptotic behavior of a rational function R(x,y,z) as the variables (x,y,z) approach infinity. Participants explore whether this function can be expressed in the form of a multiple Laurent series, given that there are no poles on the real R^3 plane.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the asymptotic expansion of R(x,y,z) can be represented as a multiple Laurent series, assuming no singularities exist for real values of (x,y,z).
  • Another participant points out a potential confusion regarding the definition of the R^3 plane and the nature of poles in complex function theory, suggesting that R(x,y,z) is a real function of three real variables.
  • A different participant emphasizes that while the rational function has no poles on the R^3 plane, it may still have poles in the complex plane, which could affect the expansion.
  • Some participants propose simplifying the problem by focusing on the denominator polynomial and considering the function as a series of inverse powers.
  • One participant suggests that if the problem can be solved for a simpler case, such as 1/(x^2 + a^2), it may provide insights into the general case.
  • Another participant outlines a potential method involving changing variables to express the function in terms of inverse powers, raising a question about the feasibility of obtaining a three-variable power series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the function and the implications of poles in the complex plane. There is no consensus on whether the proposed asymptotic expansion can be achieved or on the validity of the methods suggested.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for clarity regarding the definitions of terms used, such as the R^3 plane and the nature of poles, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The discussion also highlights the complexity of working with multiple variables in the context of Laurent series.

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given a rational function [tex]R(x,y,z)[/tex] that has no poles on the R^3 plane my question is if for big [tex](x,y,z) \rightarrow \infty[/tex] it has the following asymptotic expansion

[tex]R(x,y,z) \sym \sum_{m,n,l= -\infty}^{N}a_{m,n,l}x^{m}y^{n}z^{l}[/tex]
 
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It looks like you didn't finish your sentence. What are you asking?
 
i am asking if for any multi-vriable rational function the asymptotics can be obtained in the form of a multiple Laurent series as i have pointed

provided there are no singularities for real (x,y,z) on the function R(x,y,z)
 
Your statements are confusing - R^3 plane? (R^3 is 3 dim. plane is 2 dim.). Poles are things defined in complex function theory. Your function seems to be a real(?) function of three real (?) variables.
 
[tex]R(x,y,z)[/tex] is a function of 3 variable x,y and z

the Rational function (quotient of polynomials) has NO poles on the R^3 only zeros (it may have poles inside the complex plane)

my question is can [tex]R(x,y,z)[/tex] be expanded into a convergent Laurent series ??
 
A rational function is a ratio of polynomials. The denominator has zeros which implies that you do need terms for the poles even though they may not be real. You then need inverse power terms, but I suspect they can be finite.

This whole question is a bit outside anything I have ever worked on. Is R a scalar function? What is the complex plane you keep referring to - you have 3 independent variables?
 
I mean a Laurent series on (x,y,z)

since Laurent series use Complex variables representation you would need to define a Laurent series on CxCXC

here [tex]w= R (x,y,z)[/tex] is an SCALAR function of three variables (x,y,z) for example [tex]\frac{x+y+xz}{x^{2}+y^{2}+1}[/tex]
 
Some thoughts to simplify the problem:

1) The numerator polynomial doesn't matter, so one can concentrate on the problem of 1 divided by a polynomial.
2) I am not familiar with the problem as such, but it looks to me if you can solve it for 1/(x2+a2), the general problem can easily be resolved.
 
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Possible solution:
1) Set the numerator polynomial aside till the end and concentrate on the denominator polynomial, i.e. consider g(x,y,z)=1/P(x,y,z) where P is a polynomial.
2) Let X=1/x and Y=1/y and Z=1/z, so g(x,y,z)=h(X,Y,Z).
3) Get the 3 variable power series for h as sums of powers of X, Y, Z.
4) Replace X, Y, Z by 1/x, 1/y, 1/z to give you a series of inverse powers.
5) Multiply through by the original numerator to get the expression you want.

The major question regarding this procedure is whether or not step 3 can always be carried out.
 

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