At what distance is the gravitational pull balanced

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The discussion revolves around determining the distance from Titan at which the gravitational pull of Titan balances the gravitational pull of Saturn. The problem involves gravitational forces and distances related to celestial bodies, specifically focusing on Titan and Saturn.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the gravitational force equation and its application to the problem. There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of distances and the relationship between the masses involved. Some participants question how to incorporate the distance from Titan to Saturn into their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the gravitational balance point. Some have provided partial calculations, while others are seeking clarification on definitions and the setup of the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the distances involved, particularly the distance from Titan to Saturn and the distance from Titan to the gravitational balance point. There is also mention of the need for a diagram to visualize the problem better.

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Homework Statement


On December 25, 2004, the Huygens probe separated from the Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn and began a 22 day journey to Saturn's giant moon Titan (see the figure below (Figure 1) ), on whose surface it landed. It is useful to know that Titan is 1.22×106 km from the center of Saturn and has a mass of 1.35×1023 kg and a diameter of 5150 km . At what distance from Titan should the gravitational pull of Titan just balance the gravitational pull of Saturn?

Homework Equations


Ms=1.35*10^23
R=2575km=2575000m
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6

G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)=
 
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a97e said:

Homework Statement


On December 25, 2004, the Huygens probe separated from the Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn and began a 22 day journey to Saturn's giant moon Titan (see the figure below (Figure 1) ), on whose surface it landed. It is useful to know that Titan is 1.22×106 km from the center of Saturn and has a mass of 1.35×1023 kg and a diameter of 5150 km . At what distance from Titan should the gravitational pull of Titan just balance the gravitational pull of Saturn?

Homework Equations


Ms=1.35*10^23
R=2575km=2575000m
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6

G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)=
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G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2=G*(mass of saturn)/(d)^2 ??
I'm not sure what to do with the distance from saturn to the moon or if it is multiplied by the mass of saturn. I'm really confused
 
a97e said:
G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2
This is the key equation, but use different variables for the two different masses and distances. Try again? :smile:
 
G*M/r^2= G*m/(d)^2 where M is the mass of the moon, r is the radius of the moon, m is the mass of Saturn and d is the distance between them?
So,
G's cancel
(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2= (5.68*10^26)/(d)^2
d^2= (5.68*10^26)*(2575000)^2 /(1.35*10^23)
d= sqrt(2.78977*10^16)
d=167026167.8
 
a97e said:
G*M/r^2= G*m/(d)^2 where M is the mass of the moon, r is the radius of the moon, m is the mass of Saturn and d is the distance between them?
So,
G's cancel
(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2= (5.68*10^26)/(d)^2
d^2= (5.68*10^26)*(2575000)^2 /(1.35*10^23)
d= sqrt(2.78977*10^16)
d=167026167.8

Oh wait, is it d+radius of the moon?
 
a97e said:
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6
I assume you are defining Dt as the distance from Titan to the point where the fields balance. The given distance 1.22*10^6km is from Titan to Saturn. In terms of these, how far is it from Saturn to where the fields balance?

When you have answered that, what is the field due to each at that point?
 
haruspex said:
I assume you are defining Dt as the distance from Titan to the point where the fields balance. The given distance 1.22*10^6km is from Titan to Saturn. In terms of these, how far is it from Saturn to where the fields balance?

When you have answered that, what is the field due to each at that point?
So it's d+1.22*10^6 instead of d?
 
a97e said:
So it's d+1.22*10^6 instead of d?
Draw a diagram. Show the centre of Saturn, S, the centre of Titan, T, a circle around Titan radius r, and a point where the two gravitational fields balance, P. Let the distance ST be Ds.
Where, roughly speaking, is P in relation to ST?
If the distance SP is x, what is the distance TP?
 

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