At what point has the oil gone bad?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining when the oil in a 1972 VW Beetle has gone bad, particularly in the context of an engine without an oil filter. Participants explore various methods for assessing oil condition, including visual inspection and testing techniques, while considering the implications of oil color and engine wear.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that oil in the engine collects contaminants over time, which can degrade its lubricating ability, suggesting that changing oil every 3,000 miles is a common recommendation.
  • Another participant mentions the availability of test kits for oil analysis but expresses interest in a device that provides instant readings of oil condition.
  • Some participants propose DIY tests, such as filtering oil to examine sludge and using a magnet to check for metal particles.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for fuel and exhaust contamination in the oil due to the engine's age and condition, with one participant noting the uncertainty about the engine's mileage history.
  • Discussion includes the observation that oil darkening could indicate overheating, but there is uncertainty about whether this is a consistent pattern or a new observation.
  • Participants debate whether the blackening of oil is due to metal particle accumulation or a chemical change from contaminants, with one suggesting that the absence of an oil filter may contribute to more rapid oil degradation.
  • Questions are raised about whether oil should be changed before it turns completely black, with no clear consensus on what the color indicates regarding oil condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on oil testing methods and the implications of oil color, with no consensus on the best approach to determine when oil has gone bad or the significance of its darkening.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their knowledge regarding the engine's repair history and the specific conditions affecting oil degradation, which may influence their assessments and recommendations.

  • #31
Averagesupernova said:
I have an older ford pickup with a 6 cylinder inline engine and single barrel carter carburetor. Put E10 ethanol in it and you will be putting an accelerator pump in the carb.
I have a '68...
Any recent carb overhaul kit should have alcohol resistant parts.

In 1986 i got a letter from Johnson Outboards telling me alcohol would soon be coming to motor fuel inmy area with no public warning, so i should take my almost-year-old two stroke outboard to the dealer for installation of new fuel pump internals.

It attacked some tubes in the fuel system and wrecked thousands of outboards that had VRO automatic oil injection.
To anybody with such an engine - i recommend mix your tank 100::1, that way if you lose injection you can safely idle home.
 
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  • #32
I would bet I have bought between 6 to 8 accelerator pump diaphragms between this pickup and one a year newer that is my dads. These parts are probably very old stock since there is little demand for them. The carb kits didn't come with the diaphragm. That was extra. I know E85 kits are sold but they are usually for higher end performance carbs. Not a lot of demand for that sort of thing on a single barrel carb.
 
  • #33
Averagesupernova said:
The carb kits didn't come with the diaphragm. That was extra.
thanks for the heads up !
 

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