Atom Emitting Photon: Mass Decrease Explained

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The discussion revolves around an atom at rest emitting a photon and the implications for the atom's mass, focusing on energy and momentum conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between energy conservation and mass change, questioning how momentum conservation affects the mass of the atom post-emission. There are discussions about the validity of equations relating energy and mass, as well as the implications of photon momentum on the atom's kinetic energy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, offering insights into the relationship between energy and momentum. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, while others are still seeking clarity on specific aspects of momentum conservation.

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There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the atom's state before and after photon emission. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to reconcile different aspects of the conservation laws.

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Homework Statement


An atom initially at rest emits a photon. Explain why the mass of the atom decreases, taking into account energy and momentum conservation.


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I get the energy conservation part. E=delta(m)c^2=hf. But how would momentum conservation cause an atom at rest to decrease in mass? Unless it's talking about the zeroth component of a 4-vector - in which case that's just energy, surely?
 
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Delta m c^2 = h f is not exactly valid, because then you are ignoring the change in momentum of the atom. If you pretend that the atom is in rest before and after the emission of the photon, then the change in energy of the atom is delta m c^2 and conservation of energy implies that this equals up to a minus sign h f.

You can say that the intial energy of the system is m c^2 and the final energy is gamma m' c^2 + hf. Now, we can write

gamma m' c^2 = m' c^2 + E_k

We know that E_k > 0 due to recoil. Energy conservation then implies that:

m c^2 = m' c^2 + E_k + h f

Then it follows that m' < m

Good exercise: Compute m' in terms of m and f
 
Ok. My explanation of the mass deficit due to energy conservation was oversimplified. But the problem lies in the momentum conservation. Any idea how I would explain that?
 
Welshy said:
Ok. My explanation of the mass deficit due to energy conservation was oversimplified. But the problem lies in the momentum conservation. Any idea how I would explain that?

You simply have to say that the photon has a momentum of hf/c, so the atom must have the same mometum, but in the opposite direction, This then means that the kinetic energy E_k is nonzero. Then since:

m c^2 = m' c^2 + E_k + h f

You have:


m' = m - [E_k + hf]/c^2

The contents of the square brackets is positive so this proves that
m' < m

But I think it is far more interesting to actually compute m'. That is a good exercise to practice the algebra of four vectors.
 
Duh! I couldn't see the wood for the trees! :P Thanks!
 

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