Atomic Clock Reveals Slowing of Time Predicted by Einstein

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The discussion centers around the implications of a new atomic clock as mentioned in a Wired article, particularly regarding its potential to detect the slowing of time as predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity. Participants explore the nature of time, its measurement, and the relevance of such high-precision clocks in testing theoretical predictions.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Einstein's general relativity truly predicts a slowing of time, particularly in relation to the Big Bang.
  • One participant argues that since there is no "absolute" time, the concept of time slowing is relative and may refer to differences in time flow between different frames of reference, such as a satellite and a clock on the ground.
  • Another participant mentions that the GPS system accounts for time dilation effects, suggesting practical applications of these theories.
  • Some express skepticism about the Wired article's phrasing, suggesting it may imply that fundamental constants of nature could vary over time, though details on testing these speculations remain unclear.
  • A participant references the Pound-Rebka experiment to illustrate how photon energy changes in gravitational fields, questioning how an atomic clock could detect time slowing without an absolute reference.
  • One participant emphasizes the precision of the new atomic clock and discusses the implications of measuring time differences at very small scales, highlighting the need to consider subtle effects due to general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the interpretation of time slowing in the context of general relativity. Some agree on the relativity of time measurement, while others challenge the Wired article's claims and the implications of high-precision clocks.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding how high-precision clocks relate to theoretical predictions, including unresolved questions about the nature of time and gravitational effects on timekeeping.

RJ Emery
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An article in Wired concerning a new atomic clock has as part of its lead sentence "The new timekeeper could one day ... detect the slowing of time predicted by Einstein’s theory of general relativity."

See
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/quantum-logic-atomic-clock/#ixzz0f1IPhJLR
for the full article.

Is that statement true? Does Einstein's GR theory predict a slowing of time, and by consequence, a time that initially was faster at the birth of the universe at the Big Bang?
 
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Because there is no such thing as "absolute" time, it makes no sense to talk about time slowing. We can only talk about the time flow in one frame relative to the time flow in another. My thought was that they were talking about the slowing of time on, say, a satellite or fast moving airplane, relative to a clock on the ground. "Wired" just may not be aware that that's already been done!
 
Depending on what is meant, the GPS system frequently takes into account the slowing of time...otherwise positions would be way off rather quickly...
 
Looking at the article, I think it was just a weird way of expressing the speculation that certain "constants" of nature, such as the fine structure constant, might actually vary with time. I don't know the details of how these speculations are supposed to be tested, so I don't know why high-precision clocks would be needed...
 
The atomic clock in the Wired article is based on the photon energy in UV lasers. We already know that the photon changes energy in gravitational fields, as shown in the famous Pound Rebka Mossbauer Effect experiment at Harvard. A photon falling in a gravitational field is blueshifted. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound–Rebka_experiment

So how could the atomic clock detect Einstein's predicted slowing of time, unless there is an absolute clock?


Bob S
 
RJ Emery said:
An article in Wired concerning a new atomic clock has as part of its lead sentence "The new timekeeper could one day ... detect the slowing of time predicted by Einstein’s theory of general relativity."

See
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/quantum-logic-atomic-clock/#ixzz0f1IPhJLR
for the full article.

Is that statement true? Does Einstein's GR theory predict a slowing of time, and by consequence, a time that initially was faster at the birth of the universe at the Big Bang?

When you have something THAT accurate, with that kind of an error budget, then simply putting one clock on the top shelf of a cabinet can make a difference.

Read the Perspective article by Daniel Kleppner in the 28 March 2008 issue of Science. In reviewing another experiment on a more accurate clock, he pointed out this:

When precision is pushed to new levels, ever more subtle effects must be taken into account. For instance, the error budget includes a small contribution, 1 x 10^-18, due to an uncertainty in the gravitational potential of the two clocks. This corresponds to a difference in their altitudes of 1 cm. This heralds one of the most interesting aspects of time keeping with optical clocks: The effects of general relativity that mix time with gravity are starting to approach a point that will require rethinking the basic concept of "keeping time."

When you can have the ability to detect such difference at the terrestrial level, then not only do you have to be extra careful in using such clocks, but it also opens a whole new avenue of testing something which could not have been tested that easily before in a reasonable-sized setup.

Zz.
 

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