Atomic density of argon in liquid and gas form

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The discussion revolves around calculating the atomic density of argon in both liquid and gaseous states, with specific reference to its properties at room temperature and pressure. The original poster presents a problem involving the application of the ideal gas law and the relationship between mass density and atomic density.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the use of the ideal gas law to find atomic density in gaseous argon and discuss the relationship between mass density and atomic density for liquid argon. Questions arise regarding the appropriate mass to use for calculations and the interpretation of atomic mass.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and clarifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of atomic mass and the relationship between mass density and atomic density. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations needed for part (a) and part (b), with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the constraints of using the ideal gas law and the specific values for atomic mass and density provided in the problem statement. There is also mention of the need to clarify the correct mass of an argon atom for calculations.

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Homework Statement

Argon (atomic weight 40) exists as a monatomic gas at room temperature and
pressure. The density of liquid argon is 1784 kg m−3.

(a) Calculate the atomic density (atoms m−3) in liquid argon.

(b) Calculate the atomic density (atoms m−3) in gaseous argon at a pressure of 1 atm and a temperature of 300K.

The attempt at a solution

(a)

PV = NkT
where,
P = 1.01 x 105
k = 1.38 x 10-23
T = 300

N/V = P/kT = 2.44 x 1025 atoms m−3

(b)

I have no idea. I know there should be a difference but I don't know what to do.

I think perhaps my answer to (a) is in fact the answer to (b) in which case, how do I answer (a)?
 
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Hi EmmaLemming! :smile:

Yep. Your answer to (a) is the answer to (b).

That leaves you with 2 quantities that you have not used yet: atomic mass of argon and its density.

Do you know what that number 40 for the atomic mass represents and how to use it in a formula?
And what is density (as a formula)?

Btw, the formula PV = NkT only applies to ideal gasses.
Luckily gaseous argon does behave like an ideal gas.
 
Hello :)

Thanks for you're help

So for part (a) could I just divide the atomic density by the mass?
I've seen before that atomic mass, 40, can be written as 0.04kg however I thought,

mass = M/avagadro = 6.64 x 10^-23kg

Which mass do I use? :s
 
Yes, you can divide the mass density by the mass of 1 atom, to get the atomic density.The atomic mass number 40 means that 1 mol of argon has a mass of 40 grams.

And 1 mol of argon is a number of atoms that is equal to the number of avogadro.I'm not sure which masses you calculated with just now, however.
 
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I did,

40/(6.02 x 1023) = 6.64 x 10-23 kg,

to get the mass of one argon atom. Now that I think about it though should it be,

0.04/(6.02 x 1023) = 6.64 x 10-26 kg.
 
Ah okay.
That looks better. :)
 
Yaaay :) Thanks very much for your help.
 

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