Atomic Physics - Orbital Angular Momentum Probability

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of probabilities related to an electron's orbital angular momentum in atomic physics, specifically focusing on the wavefunction described in spherical coordinates. Participants are exploring the implications of the angular wavefunction and its relation to the measurements of orbital angular momentum squared (L²) and its Z component (Lz).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate coefficients \(c_{l,m}\) from the wavefunction to determine probabilities for various measurements of angular momentum. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the wavefunction and the significance of the spherical harmonics involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in calculating specific coefficients and are discussing the implications of their findings on the probabilities of measuring different values of L² and Lz. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between these probabilities, with some participants questioning the correctness of their interpretations and calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information available for calculations. There is also a discussion about the assumptions made regarding the values of \(l\) and \(m\) based on the wavefunction provided.

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Homework Statement


Consider an electron in a state described by angular wavefunction $$\psi(\theta,\phi)=\sqrt{\frac{3}{4 \pi}}\sin \theta \cos \phi$$ Here θ and φ are the polar and azimuthal angles, respectively, in the spherical coordinate system.

i. Calculate the probability that a simultaneous measurement of the electron orbital angular momentum squared (L2) and the Z component of the electron orbital angular momentum (Lz) will give 2ħ2 and ħ respectively.

ii. What is the probability of measuring L2 = 2ħ2 ?
iii. What is the probability of measuring Lz = 0 ?

Homework Equations


$$\psi(\theta,\phi) = \sum_{l=0}^{l=\infty} \sum_{m=-l}^{m=+l}c_{l,m} Y_{l,m} (\theta, \phi)$$

$$c_{l,m} = \int Y^{*}_{lm}(\theta, \phi) \psi (\theta, \phi) d\Omega$$

The Attempt at a Solution


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In my notes I am told that $$\vert c_{l,m} \vert ^2$$ is the probability that a simultaneous measurement of L2 and Lz on a particle described by the wavefunction ψ gives l(l+1)ħ2 AND mħ.
The probability that a measurement of L2 will give l(l+1)2 is simply the sum of the probabilities for each possible m state: $$P(l) = \sum_{m=-l}^l \vert c_{l,m} \vert ^2$$

Looking up the wavefunction in a table, it seems to be a spherical harmonic with l=1 and m=0
which means m can range between -1 and 1.

Now for question i. the answer would simply be $$\vert c_{1,1} \vert ^2$$ ...but how can I calculate what c is?

I guess my problem is similar for part ii. as the answer would be $$P(l) = \sum_{m=-l}^l \vert c_{l,m} \vert ^2$$ where m can be -1, 0 and 1...but I'm stumped on how to calculate cl,m

Any help would be greatly appreciated !
Thank you
 
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Isaac Pepper said:
i. Calculate the probability that a simultaneous measurement of the electron orbital angular momentum squared (L2) and the Z component of the electron orbital angular momentum (Lz) will give ħ2 and ħ respectively.

ii. What is the probability of measuring L2 = ħ2 ?
iii. What is the probability of measuring Lz = 0 ?
Are you sure about the parts I indicated in red?

Isaac Pepper said:
Looking up the wavefunction in a table, it seems to be a spherical harmonic with l=1 and m=0
Why m = 0?

Isaac Pepper said:
Now for question i. the answer would simply be $$\vert c_{1,1} \vert ^2$$ ...but how can I calculate what c is?
Isaac Pepper said:
$$c_{l,m} = \int Y^{*}_{lm}(\theta, \phi) \psi (\theta, \phi) d\Omega$$
 
Sorry! Edited my post, it was meant to be 2ħ2.

I am having trouble understanding the integral though... What are Yl,m... and dΩ :(
I have a table with values of Y0,0, Y1,0, Y1,1 etc...

So for example $$Y_{0,0} = \sqrt{\frac{1}{4 \pi}}$$

$$c_{0,0} = \int \sqrt{\frac{1}{4 \pi}} \sqrt{\frac{3}{4 \pi}} \sin \theta \cos \phi d\Omega$$
where $$\int d\Omega = \int_0^{2 \pi} d\phi \int_0^{\pi} \sin \theta d\theta$$

$$c_{0,0} = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{4\pi} \int_0^{2 \pi} \cos \phi d\phi \int_0^{\pi} \sin^2 \theta d\theta$$

Leading to a sin φ evaluated between 2π and 0... Which is 0, so c0,0=0 ? Am I on the right track?

If I then apply this with the other values, I could work out each value for c, and put them into the equations to get the probabilities?

So i. would be c1,12
ii. would be c1,-12+c1,02+c1,12

Correct?
 
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Working through the numbers, I have got an answer of $$c_{1,0}=0$$ $$c_{1,1}=-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$$ and $$c_{1,-1}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$$

Which means the answer to i. is 1/2, ii. is 1/2+1/2 = 1
But how do I calculate the probability of measuring Lz=0?

The probability of m=1 AND l =1 was 1/2 (from part i.)
and the probability of l=1 is 1 from part ii.
This suggests that the probability of m=1 is 1/2...?
Which I'm assuming is the same for the probability of m=-1
As such the probability of m=0 is 0, correct?
 
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Isaac Pepper said:
The probability of m=1 AND l =1 was 1/2 (from part i.)
and the probability of l=1 is 1 from part ii.
This suggests that the probability of m=1 is 1/2...?
Which I'm assuming is the same for the probability of m=-1
As such the probability of m=0 is 0, correct?
That's one way to do it. You can also get it directly from the fact that all coefficients ##c_{l,0}## are zero, therefore the probability of measuring ##m=0## is zero.
 
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