Atomizer Design Challenge? (Bernoulli's Principle)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of atomizers and the application of Bernoulli's principle in inducing liquid suction through a nozzle. Participants explore the mechanics of airflow and liquid displacement in various configurations, questioning why high-pressure air does not simply bypass the liquid.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why air does not take the path of least resistance and bubble through the liquid instead of inducing suction, despite the presence of a constricted nozzle.
  • Another participant suggests that the air would need to displace the liquid, which could be more resistive than flowing through the tube.
  • A different viewpoint argues that the pressure head required to displace the liquid would need to be significantly high, potentially equivalent to the height of a four-story building.
  • One participant proposes that the liquid line might be connected directly at the nozzle, creating a high-pressure regime leading to a low-pressure, high-velocity regime beyond the nozzle.
  • Another possibility mentioned is the presence of a valve in the liquid line that forces air to exit via the nozzle, allowing for liquid suction when conditions are right.
  • A participant shares their experimental findings, noting that high-pressure air displaced the liquid but also achieved temporary suction under certain configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the mechanics of atomizer design, with no consensus reached on the best approach or industry standard. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interaction between air and liquid in the system.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific configurations of the atomizer and the conditions under which suction is induced. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical relationships or physical principles governing the observed phenomena.

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I understand why liquid is sucked into a tube of flowing air with a constricted end due to Bernoulli's principle, what puzzles me is why the air doesn't just take the path of least resistance instead of inducing liquid suction (see attached image). For example, if a 1/4 inch line at 30 psi has a 1 mm nozzle outlet, and a 2 mm line dunked in liquid somewhere along it, why doesn't the high pressure air just take the path of least resistance and bubble through the liquid? My guess would be the designers would have to make the diameter of the liquid line smaller than that of the nozzle to avoid this, but every cologne bottle I've looked at has a larger diameter liquid inlet tube than outlet nozzle. What am I missing here?
 

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The air would have to displace the liquid, which would be more resistive than just going through the tube.
 
No not necessarily, especially in my example, the pressure head alone would have to be immense to overpower 30 psi, maybe something on the order of a 4 story building to accomplish that.
 
i think that it is more likely that the liquid line is attached all the way at the nozzle...the way i think of it is like, there is a high pressure regime starting from the pump to the nozzle, and a low pressure , high velocity regime beyond the nozzle, and the liquid line is connected to this side of the nozzlethe other possibility i can think of is that there is a valve in the liquid line, forcing the air to exit via the nozzle, and when sufficient velocity and pressure drop has built up, the liquid will be sucked into the airstream and out of the nozzle

but I am not a physicist so i could be wrong on both counts
 
Those are some interesting design possibilities carmatic that are very plausible! Now I just would like know which one is the industry standard. I have since built the scenario I described and sure enough the high pressure air displaced the liquid, BUT, there was a configuration that temporarily induced suction from tinkering with the liquid and air valves! It was hard to maintain though and now I'm even more curious as to what the best nozzle-suction design is.
 

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