Atoms in a Bottle: Counting Ethyl Acetate Molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total number of atoms in a bottle of nail polish remover containing approximately 2.5 mol of ethyl acetate (C4H8O2). Participants explore the application of the mole concept and perform calculations related to the number of molecules and atoms present.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially suggests there are 14 atoms in the bottle, which is later challenged.
  • Another participant questions the understanding of the mole, implying that there are multiple molecules of ethyl acetate in the bottle.
  • Calculations are presented to determine the number of molecules based on the mole quantity, leading to a figure of approximately 1.5 x 1024 molecules.
  • Further calculations break down the contributions of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms from the ethyl acetate molecules, leading to a total of 14 atoms per molecule.
  • Participants discuss the method of multiplying the number of atoms per molecule by the total number of molecules to find the total number of atoms.
  • One participant proposes a final calculation resulting in 2.1 x 1025 atoms, which is confirmed by another participant.
  • There is a correction regarding the addition of the contributions from different atoms, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the calculations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations, as there are corrections and challenges to the arithmetic presented. Some participants agree on the method of calculating the total number of atoms, while others express confusion or provide alternative calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the accuracy of the calculations and the proper addition of the contributions from different types of atoms. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of the mole concept and its application in this context.

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Homework Statement



A bottle of nail polis remover contains approximately 2.5 mol of ethyl acetate (C4H8O2)
How many atoms are in the bottle?

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Would there just be 14 atoms?
 
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Review the definition of the mole. Is there only one molecule of ethyl acetate in the entire bottle?
 
JeremyG said:
Review the definition of the mole. Is there only one molecule of ethyl acetate in the entire bottle?
Would it be 1.02 x 10 25 atoms?
 
Sace Ver said:
Would it be 1.02 x 10 25 atoms?

That's not what I got (but much better than the initial 14 atoms).

Where did this number came from?
 
Borek said:
That's not what I got (but much better than the initial 14 atoms).

Where did this number came from?
N=nNA
N=(2.5mol)(6.02x1023)
N=1.5x1024mol

NC=(1.5x1024mol)(4)=6.0x1024
NNH=(1.5x1024mol)(8)=1.2x1025
NNO=(1.5x1024mol)(2)=3.0x1024

Then I added all of my answers up.

Edit by Borek: closed formatting tags.
 
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Sace Ver said:
N=nNA
N=(2.5mol)(6.02x1023)
N=1.5x1024mol

To be sure, the units here are molecules of ethyl acetate.
NC=(1.5x1024mol)(4)=6.0x1024
NNH=(1.5x1024mol)(8)=1.2x1025
NNO=(1.5x1024mol)(2)=3.0x1024

Then I added all of my answers up.

It's hard to follow your calculations here. They seem to be shrinking.

Edit by Borek: corrected.

Each and every molecule of ethyl acetate has 4C + 8H + 2O = 14 atoms.

Wouldn't it be easier to multiply the number of atoms in each molecule of ethyl acetate by the number of molecules of ethyl acetate in the bottle?
 
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SteamKing said:
To be sure, the units here are molecules of ethyl acetate.It's hard to follow your calculations here. They seem to be shrinking.

Each and every molecule of ethyl acetate has 4C + 8H + 2O = 14 atoms.

Wouldn't it be easier to multiply the number of atoms in each molecule of ethyl acetate by the number of molecules of ethyl acetate in the bottle?
14 multiplied by 1.5x1024 molecules?
 
Sace Ver said:
14 multiplied by 1.5x1024 molecules?
More specifically, 14 atoms / ethyl acetate molecule times 1.5 × 1024 ethyl acetate molecules / bottle of nail polish remover = ?
 
SteamKing said:
More specifically, 14 atoms / ethyl acetate molecule times 1.5 × 1024 ethyl acetate molecules / bottle of nail polish remover = ?
2.1x1025atoms?
 
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Sace Ver said:
2.1x1025atoms?
Yes.
 
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Sace Ver said:
NC=(1.5x1024mol)(4)=6.0x1024
NNH=(1.5x1024mol)(8)=1.2x1025
NNO=(1.5x1024mol)(2)=3.0x1024

Then I added all of my answers up.

Not exactly. You added

6.0x1024 + 1.2x1024 + 3.0x1024

instead of a correct

6.0x1024 + 1.2x1025 + 3.0x1024
 

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