Atoms in a Solid: Why Their Vicinity Matters

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reasons why atoms in a solid have a general vicinity in which they rest. It touches on concepts from quantum mechanics, atomic structure, and the forces that bind atoms together in various types of solids.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in a solid of like atoms, electrons are shared, forming a cloud that helps hold the atoms in place.
  • Another participant notes that images from scanning tunneling or atomic force microscopes reveal a regular crystal pattern, indicating that atoms are localized in a crystal structure.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that particles do not have specific locations until measured, highlighting the complexity of defining a particle's position in quantum mechanics.
  • It is proposed that atoms are bound together by various forces depending on the type of solid, such as electrostatic forces in ionic crystals, valence electron exchange in covalent molecules, and the sharing of free electrons in metals.
  • One participant mentions that the inertia of atomic nuclei, which are much heavier than electrons, contributes to their localization, although thermal motion can lead to melting and the loss of solid structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the reasons for atomic localization in solids, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of atomic forces and quantum mechanics are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of particle localization or the implications of thermal motion.

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Why do atoms just have a general vicinity of which they rest in a solid?
 
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A mass of electrons

My theory is that in a solid of like atoms, all of the electrons tend to be shared, forming a giant cloud of electrons that are shared among each other, and with all these negative electrons buzzing around, and positive nuclei, the atoms just kind of hold each other in place.
 
If you look at images from scanning tunneling or atomic force microscopes of solids, you can generally make out a regular crystal pattern. So, the atoms are localized fairly well in a crystal.
 
obiwan1001 said:
Why do atoms just have a general vicinity of which they rest in a solid?

It's a consequence of the fact that, until measured, particles do not have specific locations, and instead have an area of space that they "occupy". I put that in quotations because I want to emphasize that defining the position of a particle is much more complicated than one might think.

Do you know anything about Quantum Mechanics, such as the Uncertainty Principle or what a wave function is?
 
obiwan1001 said:
Why do atoms just have a general vicinity of which they rest in a solid?

Typically it is because they are bound together by some force. For ionic crystals it is an electrostatic force. For covalent molecules it is the exchange of the valence electrons. For metals it is the overall sharing of the "Drude cloud" of free electrons.

Note that the nucleus of any atom is thousands of times heavier than an electron, so their inertia will keep them localized even though they do have some motion. If their motion becomes too great (thermal motion) the material melts, and you no longer have a solid.
 

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