Attempting to reduce the speed of sound on a plane/plank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around controlling the speed of sound vibrations traveling across a plastic chopping board covered with rubber. Participants explore the effects of different materials on sound propagation, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that covering the chopping board with rubber could slow down sound vibrations, but expresses concern that sound may travel quickly through the plastic underneath.
  • Another participant argues that sound will travel through the chopping board at a constant speed, regardless of the rubber covering, and notes that adding rubber increases the overall distance sound must travel.
  • A later reply emphasizes that to achieve the same speed of sound as rubber alone, the material between the rubber and plastic would need to have lower stiffness than rubber.
  • One participant attempts to illustrate the concept by suggesting that a material on each end of the chopping board must take longer for sound to travel through in order to match the speed of sound through rubber.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of sound taking the "path of least resistance," stating that sound does not behave like electricity in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how sound travels through the materials involved. There is no consensus on whether the rubber covering will effectively slow down the sound vibrations as intended, and multiple competing perspectives remain on the best approach to achieve the desired outcome.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of material properties such as stiffness and the effects of layering different materials on sound speed, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these interactions.

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I am trying to control the speed at which a sound vibration takes to travel the length of a plane/plank.

I have a plastic choppingboard, at one end is a contact microphone at the other end I tap the choppingboard to create a vibration.

Now, I want the sound to travel very slowly across the choppingboard, so I was thinking of covering the choppingboard in rubber because the elastic properties of rubber cause sound vibrations to travel very slowly.

However, I am worried that the sound will go thorough the thickness of the rubber into the plastic choppingboard, travel the width of the coppingboard quickly through the plastic and then go through the thickness of the rubber again and into the contact microhone.

So essentially, I imagine the rubber layer wouldent cause much difference at all?

Unless I some how muted vibrations before they hit the plastic, by having some kind of foam between the rubber and plastic layers??

Am I right? If so, what can I do ??!

Edit: also, won't the plastic choppingboard effect the intertia of the rubber causing the sound to not travel as fast as it would without the plastic choppingboard?
 
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The sound will travel through the chopping board at a constant speed, regardless of what you cover it with.

By adding the layer of rubber (I assume at each end of the chopping board), you will alter the speed of sound, as the average stiffness (poorly termed but serves it's point) is changed.

It is worth noting that unless you shorten the chopping board by the thickness of the rubber, you are increasing the overall distance it has to travel and so increase the time it will take anyway.

Over such a short distance, I'd say you'll be hard pressed to measure a difference in the speed.
 
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Okay well basically, I want to conver the entire copping board in a layer of rubber.

I want sound vibrations to travel from one end to the other of the rubber covered choppingboard at the same speed it would if there was just a rectangle of rubber with no plastic choppingboard in the middle.

With just the rubber I would get around 60 m/s with just the plastic I would probably get around 3000 m/s but my worry is that with plastic coated in a layer of rubber I would still get around 3000 m/s because the vibration would go through the rubber and use the plastic as a 'fast lane' to the other end where it would go though 4 - 6 mm thickness of rubber and into the contact microphone

get what I am saying now?So basically I am looking for a way to prevent this happening - if this would happen, I am not a in-the-know physics person atm. I imagine I would need a layer inbetween the rubber and plastic to mute the sound and prevent it jumping into the plastic and using the plastic as a 'fast lane', but what kind of material would be sufficient for this?
 
MrPuzzle said:
Okay well basically, I want to conver the entire copping board in a layer of rubber.

This won't slow the sound through the chopping board down.
I want sound vibrations to travel from one end to the other of the rubber covered choppingboard at the same speed it would if there was just a rectangle of rubber with no plastic choppingboard in the middle.

It won't. If you want it to take the same time as rubber, it needs to be a block of rubber. The only way around this is to have a material with a lower stiffness than the rubber surrounding the chopping board.

The stiffness would have to be low enough so that the combined transfer time through chopping board plus 'material x' is equivalent to the rubber alone.

With just the rubber I would get around 60 m/s with just the plastic I would probably get around 3000 m/s but my worry is that with plastic coated in a layer of rubber I would still get around 3000 m/s because the vibration would go through the rubber and use the plastic as a 'fast lane' to the other end where it would go though 4 - 6 mm thickness of rubber and into the contact microphone

get what I am saying now?

Fast lane? Sound isn't electric. It won't "take the path of least resistance".
 
Think of it like this:

Let's say it takes sound 5 seconds to go through the chopping board and 20 seconds to go through a block of the rubber.

Now, this means you need a material on each end of the chopping board that will take the sound 15 seconds to go through in order to get an overall time of 20 seconds - equal to the transfer time through the block of rubber alone. That way the average speed of the sound through the two materials will be equal to the block of rubber.
 

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