Attempting to Understand Alcubierre

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The discussion revolves around understanding the Alcubierre metric and its implications for theoretical warp drive technology. Participants explore the mathematical framework, the physical assumptions involved, and the challenges of interpreting the equations without a strong background in physics.

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  • One participant expresses a desire for a simplified explanation of the Alcubierre equations, seeking to understand how to calculate energy requirements based on speed and radius.
  • Another participant notes the inherent challenges in explaining advanced physics concepts without losing the mathematical rigor, emphasizing that equations are crucial for understanding.
  • A third participant highlights potential unphysical aspects of the Alcubierre solution, particularly the requirement for exotic matter to move faster than light for the warp bubble to function, raising concerns about tachyonic motion.
  • Discussion includes the role of the arbitrary parameter \sigma in the equations, with one participant explaining its purpose in making a differentiable function resemble a top-hat function.
  • Concerns are raised about the deeper mathematical difficulties involved in fully grasping the Alcubierre metric, with references to the need for substantial mathematical knowledge to understand the underlying concepts.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the Alcubierre metric and the challenges it presents to non-experts. However, there is no consensus on how to effectively simplify the explanations without losing essential mathematical details. Disagreement exists regarding the implications of exotic matter and the feasibility of the warp drive concept.

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Participants note limitations in their understanding due to the assumptions made in the original papers about the reader's prior knowledge of physics and mathematics. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and uncertainties regarding the Alcubierre metric and its implications.

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This discussion may be useful for hobbyists and enthusiasts interested in theoretical physics, particularly those exploring advanced concepts in general relativity and speculative technologies like warp drives.

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I apologize tremendously if this is in the wrong spot -- I couldn't decide between here and the "Beyond the Standard Model" subforum.

Background (Not terribly relevant)
I'm a "hobbyist" when it comes to physics. For me, it's one of those things that, had circumstances been different, I would've devoted life to studying. Instead, I'm an animator, which is where my heart ultimately ended up leading me. However, I still maintain an avid interest in physics of all sorts, but particularly with respect to "sci-fi" technologies that hold the promise of losing their fictional aspect.

To that end, I was very intrigued when I first read about Alcubierre's metric on the BPP website, but dismayed to find the paper unavailable at the time. Recently, as part of an animation-related project I'm pursuing, it's come to the forefront of my thought again. Fortunately, arxiv.org is around now and his paper, along with many others, are now available to everyone.

The Problem
The trouble is, I barely understand the equations I'm looking at. The papers assume a certain level of expertise and variable recognition that I simply lack. Beyond a purely academic interest in the topic, I'm interested in developing an understanding of the Alcubierre equation(s) that I can use to plug in a radius for a warp bubble, a desired "speed," and provide an "power requirement" as a result.

As I understand it, the http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0009/0009013.pdf such that the quantity of negative energy required was on the order of about -10 kg (though I've no idea what this -10kg will "get you" as far as the size and speed of the bubble go, nor if it's actually representative of anything approaching a "power requirement").

Please help
So, what I'm looking for specifically is a watered-down version of the metric that I can use to plug in two values (speed and radius) and produce a third (energy/power requirement). However, in the more global sense, I would love it if someone could guide me through a sort of "Alcubierre for dummies," explaining what the equations all mean.

Thanks a bunch! This is a fantastic forum you've got here, and I look forward to learning a lot here.
 
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Your an non-physicst trying to understand a advance physical equation. I'am not sure if it will be easy for anyone to explain it in a "the Warp drive for dummies" without having to remove all the equations form it.

I'am pretty sure you already have a basic understanding on how the Alcubierre drive(a.k.a warpdrive) works but if you don't:
The Alcubierre drive works by contracting the space in fornt of you and expanding the space in fornt which causes you to travel faster then light.
 
According to section 5 of this paper, there are some unphysical aspects of the Alcubierre solution, because in order for the "warp bubble" to move faster than light it seems to be a requirement that the exotic matter be able to locally move faster than light:
The most problematic feature of the warp drive geometry is the behaviour of the negative energy densities in the warp bubble wall [2, 5]. If the Alcubierre spacetime is taken literally, part of the exotic matter will have to move superluminally with respect to the local lightcone. It is easy to see that all exotic matter outside some surface surrounding the center (let us call this the critical surface), will move in a spacelike direction. For vs > 1, there has to be exotic matter outside the critical surface, since the function f must reach the value 0 for some rs (which, of course, can be infinity), and the negative energy density is proportional to (df/drs)^2 for an ‘Eulerian observer’ [1]. As noted in [5], the Alcubierre spacetime is an example of what can happen when the Einstein equations are run in the ‘wrong’ direction, first specifying a metric, then calculating the associated energy–momentum tensor.

The problem of tachyonic motion can be interpreted as meaning that part of the necessary exotic matter is not able to keep up with the rest of the bubble: if one would try to make a warp bubble go superluminal, the outer shell would be left behind, destroying the warp effect.

It is conceivable that the problem can be circumvented, for example by letting the distribution of exotic matter expand into a ‘tail’ in the back. It may be possible to do this in a way compatible with both the QI and the Quantum Interest Conjecture introduced in [13], which states that a pulse of negative energy must always be followed by a larger pulse of positive energy. However, it is unlikely that one can get rid of tachyonic motion of the exotic matter without introducing a naked curvature singularity in the front of the bubble [14].
 
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scott1 said:
Your an non-physicst trying to understand a advance physical equation. I'am not sure if it will be easy for anyone to explain it in a "the Warp drive for dummies" without having to remove all the equations form it.

The equations are the very things I seek explanations for, so any explanation removing the equations is ultimately meaningless and not useful to me. If I understand the framing of the equation, the equation itself falls into place easily for me. When I first looked at the Alcubierre metric, I was stymied by what "s" was in the very first equation. When someone explained the s was a distance in Minkowski space, expressed by three spatial coordinates and one time coordinate, it made plenty of sense.

I'm mostly looking for a Rosetta stone. The math itself isn't the hold-up, nor is the concept (I understand, or with a bit of very light research can look-up and understand, the text portions of the papers just fine). It's the assumptions the papers make about the readers having foreknowledge of what each symbol represents that catch me up. For instance, equation 6 has a variable expressed as \sigma. I have no idea what this is supposed to represent. It's said after it's introduced that it's an arbitary parameter. But an arbitrary parameter representing what?

An explanation of the variables is more or less what I'm seeking when I refer to a "warp drive for dummies."

JesseM said:
According to section 5 of this paper, there are some unphysical aspects of the Alcubierre solution, because in order for the "warp bubble" to move faster than light it seems to be a requirement that the exotic matter be able to locally move faster than light

Does this problem extend to the refinements on the Alcubierre metric postulated in the other papers I linked in my first post?
 
I suspect that the difficulties are deeper than you realize. As the text states, \sigma is just an arbitrary parameter. It's whole purpose is to make f(rs) appear to look like the top-hat function in 7) for large \sigma.

The top-hat function in 7 is not used directly because it's not differentiable. So one needs a parameter that makes a differentiable function approach the desired function as the parameter takes on large values. This is \sigma.

The exact form of 6) was chosen to make the math easier, from what I can tell.

The "expansion" is where all the action is. As the text states, space is being shrunk (negative expansion parameter \theta) in front of the object, and re-expanded (positive expansion parameter) in back of the ship.

I don't see how you are going to be able to understand much more than that without a lot of math you don't have.

I had to look up the math relating to the "expansion" myself (Wald, General Relativity pg 216), and I'm finding it a bit hard to follow myself.
 

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