Attn: Engineers; Need Help About School

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The discussion revolves around the options available to a student interested in pursuing an engineering career but currently enrolled in a liberal arts college without an engineering program. Participants explore various pathways, including transferring to another institution, pursuing a degree in physics or applied physics, and the implications for graduate school in engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests transferring to the University of Washington for a BS in Mechanical Engineering as a direct and cost-effective route.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the value of a physics or applied physics degree for admission to engineering graduate programs, advocating instead for a BS in Mechanical Engineering.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that some physics majors successfully transition to engineering graduate programs, particularly at regional schools, but this may depend on their elective choices.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of obtaining Professional Engineer (P.E.) certification without an accredited engineering degree, emphasizing the importance of choosing a recognized program.
  • There is a mention of the advising culture at the current institution, suggesting that advisers may not prioritize the student's best interests regarding transferring to an engineering program.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that pursuing a BS in Mechanical Engineering may be the most beneficial route for the student. However, there is disagreement regarding the viability of transitioning from a physics degree to engineering graduate programs, with some asserting it is possible while others remain skeptical.

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Participants note that the success of physics majors in engineering graduate programs may depend on their elective coursework and the specific institutions they apply to. There is also mention of the importance of ABET accreditation for engineering degrees in relation to professional certification.

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Greetings,

I am a junior student at a liberal arts college (Pacific Lutheran University) and I am interested in majoring in engineering, but the school does not offer an engineering degree. I have several options as an undergraduate and I wanted to get some advice.

Option I

I could transfer to a school with an undergrad engineering program and spend two years studying for a BS in Mechanical Engineering (probably finish in May 2011). (After that possibly a MS.)

Option II

I could study for a BS in Physics (finish Dec 2009) and complete a semester-long internship at an engineering firm (Spring 2010) and then apply to a grad program for engineering (or forget the internship and apply for a grad program and take undergrad engineering courses in the spring).

Option III

I could study for a BS in Applied Physics (finish in May 2010) and then apply to a grad program.

Also, about how long would a grad program take me to complete from a BS (Applied) Physics (I assume I will need basic undergrad engineering courses?) compared to a student with a BS in Mechanical Engineering?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Specifically I am looking for an working engineer's perspective on what is important.

Thanks,
Ben
 
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If mechanical engineering is your intented career path and you plan to pursue graduate school in this area you may consider transfering to the Unviersity of Washington. It is a great school and will be a hell of a lot cheaper than PLU. Downtown seattle is across the bridge from campus too.

This seems like it may be the most direct route and the cheapest too. UW also will have a ton of opportunities for research experience which will strengthen grad school aplications.
 
I'd say your best bet would be to follow similar advice to the post above. If I'm mistaken, someone please correct me, but I'm fairly certain that an undergraduate degree in physics/applied physics really wouldn't help you gain admittance to any sort of grad school for any type of engineering. Perhaps I'm wrong. Regardless, your best bet would most definitely be to take the extra time and get the BS in Mechanical Engineering. What's the point of getting a degree you won't use?
 
undrcvrbro said:
I'd say your best bet would be to follow similar advice to the post above. If I'm mistaken, someone please correct me, but I'm fairly certain that an undergraduate degree in physics/applied physics really wouldn't help you gain admittance to any sort of grad school for any type of engineering. Perhaps I'm wrong. Regardless, your best bet would most definitely be to take the extra time and get the BS in Mechanical Engineering. What's the point of getting a degree you won't use?

Well this hasn't been the advise I'm been getting from my school. The people at my school say that some physics majors who want to go to grad school in engineering will cross over but I think these people have focused their electives into the type of engineering their interested in. I would still suggest that the OP should go with the option to switch majors with mechanical engineering but should do some research on where some physics programs would bring their graduates if he/she has the time and passion for physics.
 
One concern I'll add is that it can be difficult (even if you later pursued an MS in engineering), to get "Professional Engineer" (P.E.) certification. You might want to look at this link: http://www.graduatingengineer.com/articles/19991102/The-ABC%27s-of-PE-Certification". Note especially: "First, an aspiring PE must graduate from a four-year engineering program accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET)."

Some jobs will require that you have professional certification. Therefore I concur with other posters. Go to another school... and remember that advisers at your present institution won't be inclined to give you that advice. To colleges, "students" are (to a large extent, sadly) viewed as "revenue units" (a term I steal from James Howard Kunstler's discussion of Las Vegas in The City in Mind.).

Edited to add (regarding jtbell's following statement): Here I refer especially to advising done through an advising center (which is the required form of advising for students early in their college careers at our institution).
 
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undrcvrbro said:
I'm fairly certain that an undergraduate degree in physics/applied physics really wouldn't help you gain admittance to any sort of grad school for any type of engineering. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Many of our physics majors go on to graduate school in engineering (various fields) and most of them do OK. I should qualify this by saying that this means regional schools like Clemson and North Carolina State, not schools like RPI or Georgia Tech.

I'll also add that I've never (in 20+ years) tried to persuade a student to stay here instead of transferring elsewhere. In fact, I've never even had a student ask me about this. They seem to be quite capable of making up their minds themselves.
 
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