Attractive Force Between Sun & Venus

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The discussion revolves around calculating the attractive force between the Sun and Venus, given the distance between their centers as 1.08x1011 m. The problem involves gravitational force equations and requires careful handling of units and significant figures.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the gravitational force formula, questioning the accuracy of the distance squared used in the calculations. There are attempts to clarify the correct values and the importance of units in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaged in identifying errors in calculations and discussing the significance of proper unit representation. There is a recognition of mistakes in the initial attempts, and some guidance is offered regarding the handling of significant figures and rounding in calculations.

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There is mention of the problem being categorized as an introductory physics question, and some participants express concern about the clarity and accuracy of the calculations presented. The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining precision in mathematical work.

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Homework Statement



Find the attractive force between the Sun and Venus. The distance between their centers is 1.08x1011m.

Homework Equations



##F = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{d^2}##
##m_{sun} = 1.98 * 10^{30}##
##m_{venus} = 4.83 * 10^{24}##
##G = 6.67 * 10^{-11}##

The Attempt at a Solution



##F = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{d^2}##

##= \frac{(6.67)(1.98)(4.83)(10^{43})}{(1.12)(10^8)}##
##= \frac{(63.8)(10^{35})}{1.12}##
##= 57 * 10^{35} N##

Does this look okay?
 
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Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



Find the attractive force between the Sun and Venus. The distance between their centers is 1.08x1011m.

Homework Equations



##F = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{d^2}##
##m_{sun} = 1.98 * 10^{30}##
##m_{venus} = 4.83 * 10^{24}##
##G = 6.67 * 10^{-11}##

The Attempt at a Solution



##F = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{d^2}##

##= \frac{(6.67)(1.98)(4.83)(10^{43})}{(1.12)(10^8)}##
##= \frac{(63.8)(10^{35})}{1.12}##
##= 57 * 10^{35} N##

Does this look okay?

No. It looks like you aren't using the right value of d2. How did you get 1.12 X 108?
 
Mark44 said:
No. It looks like you aren't using the right value of d2. How did you get 1.12 X 108?

I did (1.08)(1.08)(104)(104) and I rounded a few places off. I see it was 1011 though, my mistake. My 11 looked like a 4 on paper by accident.

So I would get (1.12)(1022).

Thanks for noticing that.

EDIT : So I get ##57*10^{21}N##. I also see this is an intro phys question, but I was accidentally inside the calc & beyond section, sorry about that.
 
Very sloppy work. Almost no units shown except for the final result. Missing exponents and some exponents dropped altogether. Incorrect arithmetic calculations buried within expressions.
 
SteamKing said:
Almost no units shown except for the final result.
I noticed that, as well, but didn't mention it.

By not including units, Zondrina, you made extra work for the people checking what you did.

Also, if you square 1.08, you get 1.1664. I still don't see how you got 1.12 out of that. The general rule is to not round off until all your calculations are done. If you round before then, it will affect your final answer.
 
Mark44 said:
I noticed that, as well, but didn't mention it.

By not including units, Zondrina, you made extra work for the people checking what you did.

I usually define my variables with their magnitudes and directions before I do calculations and keep the units out of the calculations to avoid clutter ( I know this is a bit lazy, but I find it makes the actual arithmetic stand out more to avoid mistakes ).

These questions are usually cooked so that the unit for force is Newtons. So I took that for granted when I did the calculation. I'll try to be more symbolic next time.

EDIT : Indeed, it's closer to 1.17.
 
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But you shouldn't round that number. The calculation should be done like this (omitting the powers of 10)
$$\frac{(6.67)(1.98)(4.83)}{1.1664}$$
 

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