Binary Stellar System: 15M⊙ & 10M⊙ Revisited

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The discussion revolves around a binary stellar system consisting of two stars with masses of 15M⊙ and 10M⊙, and the implications of a supernova explosion resulting in a neutron star of mass 1.4M⊙. Participants explore whether the new binary system remains bound and if the stars continue in circular orbits, while also considering variations in the initial mass of the first star.

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  • Participants discuss the gravitational potential energy before and after the supernova, considering conservation of energy and the virial theorem to find velocities and separations. Questions arise about the definitions of velocities for the two stars and the assumptions regarding the neutron star's initial velocity. There is also a focus on whether the separation distance remains constant and how to determine if the orbits are circular.

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The discussion is active with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some suggest using total mechanical energy to assess whether the system is bound, while others emphasize the need to analyze the forces involved to determine the nature of the orbits. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach, but various productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational interactions in a binary system, including the effects of mass loss during a supernova and the implications for orbital dynamics. Assumptions about the constancy of separation and velocities post-explosion are under consideration, reflecting the constraints of the problem.

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A binary stellar system is made of one star with ##M_1=15{M}_\odot## and a second star with ##M_2=10{M}_\odot## revolving around circular orbits at a relative distance of ##d=0.001pc##. At some point ##M_1## explodes in a supernovae leaving a neutron star of mass ##M_{NS}=1.4{M}_\odot##. The new binary system ##NeutronStar-M_2## is still bounded? If the answer is positive, are they still on circular orbits? What would be the difference if the initial mass of ##M_1## were ##11{M}_\odot##?

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I have first written the initial potential gravitational energy: ##E_{grav_i}=-\frac{GM_1M_2}{d}##. Then I can write the final one: ##E_{grav_f}=-\frac{GM_{NS}M_2}{a}## with ##a## the new separation. I have thought of using the conservation of energy:
$$E_i=E_f$$
$$E_i=-\frac{GM_1M_2}{d}+\frac{1}{2}\frac{M_1M_2}{M_1+M_2}v^2_i$$
$$E_f=-\frac{GM_{NS}M_2}{a}+\frac{1}{2}\frac{M_{NS}M_2}{M_{NS}+M_2}v^2_f$$
In order to find ##v^2_i## I have used the virial theorem: ##v^2_i=\frac{(M_1+M_2)G}{d}##; and substituing in the intial energy I have found: ##E_i=\frac{1}{2}\frac{GM_1M_2}{d}##. I can make something similar with the final situation and imposing the conservation of energy I have found just a relation to calculate ##a## and nothing else. I think what I have done is correct (I hope at least), but I have the sensation that this is not the way to solve the problem. Thanks for the help.
 
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What exactly are ##v_i## and ##v_f##? There are two bodies, so won't they have different (linear) velocities?

You should be able to use the fact that the initial scenario has mutual circular orbits to determine the KE's of the two stars. Then you'll need to make (and state) an assumption about the initial velocity of the supernova remnant (the neutron star).
 
gneill said:
What exactly are ##v_i## and ##v_f##? There are two bodies, so won't they have different (linear) velocities?

You should be able to use the fact that the initial scenario has mutual circular orbits to determine the KE's of the two stars. Then you'll need to make (and state) an assumption about the initial velocity of the supernova remnant (the neutron star).

So I have to split the kinetic energies:
$$E_i=-\frac{GM_1M_2}{d}+\frac{1}{2}M_1v^2_1+\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2_2$$
I need to find the velocities, but first I need to find the distance of each star from the CM and I can use the property of the CM: ##R_1M_1=R_2M_2##. WIth ##d=R_2-R_1## I can find ##R_1## and ##R_2##. Then since they are revolving around circulat keplerian orbits I can state ##F_{grav}=F_{cent}##:
$$\frac{GM_1M_2}{R^2_1}=M_1\frac{v^2_1}{R_1}$$
$$v^2_1=\frac{GM_2}{R_1}$$
Analogously for ##v^2_2##.
I can make the assumption that the velocities just after the explosion are the same before it (I think it is reasonable), and so:
$$E_f=-\frac{GM_{NS}M_2}{a}+\frac{1}{2}M_{NS}v^2_1+\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2_2$$
I can use the conservation of energy to find ##a##. With ##a## I can calculate the new escape velocity for the neutron star ##v_{escape}=\sqrt{\frac{2GM_{NS}}{a}}##. If it is less than the velcocity of the neutron star the system is bound, otherwise it is not.
If what I have done is right (I am not so sure) I can find if the system is bound or not, but how can I found if the orbits are circular?
 
Aleolomorfo said:
So I have to split the kinetic energies:
$$E_i=-\frac{GM_1M_2}{d}+\frac{1}{2}M_1v^2_1+\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2_2$$
I need to find the velocities, but first I need to find the distance of each star from the CM and I can use the property of the CM: ##R_1M_1=R_2M_2##. WIth ##d=R_2-R_1## I can find ##R_1## and ##R_2##.
Shouldn't that be ##d = R_1 + R_2##? The R's are the orbit radii to the center of mass.
Then since they are revolving around circulat keplerian orbits I can state ##F_{grav}=F_{cent}##:
$$\frac{GM_1M_2}{R^2_1}=M_1\frac{v^2_1}{R_1}$$
$$v^2_1=\frac{GM_2}{R_1}$$
Analogously for ##v^2_2##.
I can make the assumption that the velocities just after the explosion are the same before it (I think it is reasonable), and so:
$$E_f=-\frac{GM_{NS}M_2}{a}+\frac{1}{2}M_{NS}v^2_1+\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2_2$$
I can use the conservation of energy to find ##a##. With ##a## I can calculate the new escape velocity for the neutron star ##v_{escape}=\sqrt{\frac{2GM_{NS}}{a}}##. If it is less than the velcocity of the neutron star the system is bound, otherwise it is not.
If what I have done is right (I am not so sure) I can find if the system is bound or not, but how can I found if the orbits are circular?
Overall it looks like a good plan. You should be able to use the concept of Total Mechanical Energy, ##\xi = KE + PE##, to determine whether or not the system is bound. If ##\xi## is negative then the system is bound.

To judge whether the new orbits will be circular, consider the required centripetal force and gravitational force again for the new arrangement.
 
gneill said:
Shouldn't that be d=R1+R2d=R1+R2d = R_1 + R_2? The R's are the orbit radii to the center of mass.
Yes, you are right.

gneill said:
You should be able to use the concept of Total Mechanical Energy, ξ=KE+PEξ=KE+PE\xi = KE + PE, to determine whether or not the system is bound. If ξξ\xi is negative then the system is bound.
So I can calculate the toal energy after the explosion (Can I make the extra assumption that even the separation ##d## remains unchanged? On the contrary I have to calculate the new separation using the conservation of energy or some other methods which do not come to mind):
$$E_f=-\frac{GM_{NS}M_2}{d}+\frac{1}{2}M_{NS}v^2_1+\frac{1}{2}M_2v^2_2$$
I can calculate ##v_1## and ##v_2## from the virial theorem as I said before. Substituing the values in this formula, if it is negative is bound, right?

gneill said:
To judge whether the new orbits will be circular, consider the required centripetal force and gravitational force again for the new arrangement.
Do I have to see if the centripetal force and the gravitational force are equal? But they are not the same for every orbit, indipendently from the shape?

Thank you very much for your help and hints.
 
Aleolomorfo said:
So I can calculate the toal energy after the explosion (Can I make the extra assumption that even the separation ##d## remains unchanged?
Yes. This will be true up to the moment after the supernova expelled mass shell passes beyond the second star. The speeds and separation should remain constant until then.
Aleolomorfo said:
I can calculate ##v_1## and ##v_2## from the virial theorem as I said before. Substituing the values in this formula, if it is negative is bound, right?
As stated above, the speeds will be the same as those before the explosion until the system has a chance to evolve in time. So you don't need to recalculate them to determine whether or not the new system is still bound.
Aleolomorfo said:
Do I have to see if the centripetal force and the gravitational force are equal? But they are not the same for every orbit, indipendently from the shape?
Yes you need to look at that. No they are not the same for every orbit shape. Only for circular orbits are they always equal. That's why, for example, elliptical orbits are not circular :smile:
 
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