Automatic gear changing bicycle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of creating an automatic gear changing bicycle that shifts gears based on speed variations rather than manual input. Participants explore various mechanisms and technologies that could facilitate this design, including continuously variable transmissions (CVTs) and different shifting methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to create an automatic gear changing bicycle and seeks assistance in finding relevant information.
  • Another participant suggests searching for existing products or technologies, mentioning an infomercial related to automatic shifting bicycles.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of finding understandable resources, with some materials being patents or overly technical descriptions.
  • A suggestion is made to consider a continuously variable transmission (CVT) to simplify the design by eliminating the need for switches to determine gear changes.
  • It is noted that while some automatic bicycles exist, designing one that can shift down while stationary or at low speeds is significantly more challenging.
  • Another participant proposes using the speed of the back wheel as a reference for shifting, allowing for automatic gear changes based on speed alone.
  • Technical challenges are discussed regarding the mechanics of existing gear systems, particularly the difficulty of creating a system that can easily shift down without excessive friction.
  • A participant mentions the potential of a hub gear with a clutch for automatic shifting but notes that such designs have not gained popularity.
  • One participant recommends using Google Images to find visual references for autoshift bicycles, sharing a specific search link.
  • A suggestion is made to use a variable drive system that senses load through chain tension to determine when to shift gears.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a specific design or method for achieving automatic gear changes. Multiple competing views and approaches remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention challenges related to finding clear and accessible information on existing technologies, as well as the mechanical complexities involved in creating an effective automatic shifting system.

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hi..

i want to make a automatic gear changing bicycle in which instead of manual changing of gears they change automatically with variation of speed...

for this project i need help..if you know any thing about this then please reply...by posting
 
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rao shahb said:
hi..

i want to make a automatic gear changing bicycle in which instead of manual changing of gears they change automatically with variation of speed...

for this project i need help..if you know any thing about this then please reply...by posting

I actually saw an infomercial for this type of bike a few months ago. Have you tried googling for a match? I'll try if I have time...
 
berkeman said:
I actually saw an infomercial for this type of bike a few months ago. Have you tried googling for a match? I'll try if I have time...


i m waiting for your reply...i tried googling but i don't find anything useful..
 
You want to design and build an automatic shift bicycle, but you can't even figure out how to search on Google for what's out there? :cry:
 
Mech_Engineer said:
You want to design and build an automatic shift bicycle, but you can't even figure out how to search on Google for what's out there? :cry:

i get many things related to the topic but they are not easily understandable...some of them are patents and some are just description...
 
Maybe you could also look at a continuously variable transmission (CVT). It might actually reduce the complexity of having switches and things to decide when to change gears, etc, etc.
 
There have been a few autochanging bikes - but it's generally much easier to make them that change up as you peddle faster. Making ones that can change down as you peddle slower or allow you to change down while not moving are a lot harder.
 
More on my point, a quick google shows that quite a few CVTs are available for motor scooters. They seem to run around $100. It seems to me to be very reasonable alternative if you're interested.

I think it will be quite difficult, as mgb mentioned to get it back into a lower gear.
 
Instead of using the pedals, just make the transmission use the speed of the back wheel as the shift reference. When you slow down, it automatically gets you into a lower gear, and as it speeds up it goes into a higher gear.
 
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If you think of the rear dérailleur it's easy to make it go into a high gear - if you take the spring off a normal unit the weight of the hanging part will pull the chain into the smallest cog (highest gear) but to make it go down (lifting the hanger and moving to a higher gear) you need a very strong spring.
In practice this puts so much friction on everything that you can't move it.

There have been a few attempts at a hub gear with a clutch (really a preselect) to switch into bottom gear automaticaly once you have stopped. But none of them seem to have caught on.

A sprung split plate+belt style CTV could work but they are heavy and inefficient compared to a bike chain.
 
  • #12
I'd use something like a opposed con variable drive the used the tension pull on the chain to sense the load. it would gear down as the pull was harder, and ease up as the pull reduced

dr
 

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