Avoiding vehicular rear-end collision

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The problem involves two cars, A and B, with car A traveling at 161 km/hr and car B at 29.0 km/hr, with a distance of 676 m between them. The objective is to determine the necessary deceleration for car A to avoid colliding with car B.

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  • Participants discuss setting up equations of motion for both cars, considering constant acceleration and relative positions over time.
  • Some participants express confusion about the formulas and their derivations, while others suggest using a change of reference frame to simplify the problem.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the problem and the units used in calculations.
  • There is exploration of minimum deceleration and the relationship between the speeds and positions of the two cars.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided calculations for deceleration, while others are questioning the correctness of their results and the assumptions made. There is no explicit consensus on the final answer, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note the importance of unit conversion and the potential impact of using incorrect values on the calculations. There is also mention of the need for additional equations to solve for the unknowns in the problem.

  • #31
Yes it an average deceleration or constant acceleration as in equation s=s0+v0t+0.5t^2.
 
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  • #32
PhizKid said:
Sorry, I try to write neatly on loose leaf so I can take pictures of it to show my work, but it always comes out to chicken scratch. And it takes me forever to format the LaTeX.

So here is my work:

X_B - 676 = 8.0556t + \frac{1}{2}(0)t^2 \\ X_B = 8.0556t + 676

X_A = 8.0556t + 676 = \frac{1}{2}(44.72 + 8.0556)t
Can you explain the above equation? You've got the the distance traveled for car A as the average of the two car velocities multiplied by time. How does that come about?
 
  • #33
Sketching a graph is really helpful
As you see from the graph, the aim is to reduce the speed to less than the front car to avoid collision. It can be done just behind the front car or anywhere behind the front car

http://imageshack.us/a/img688/5505/60741537.jpg
 
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  • #34
gneill said:
Can you explain the above equation? You've got the the distance traveled for car A as the average of the two car velocities multiplied by time. How does that come about?

I used the 1D Kinematic formula x - x_0 = 1/2(v_0 + v)t. The intial velocity of the car A is 44.72 m/s, and the final velocity of car A 8.0556 m/s if it is to avoid collision with car B going at the same constant velocity of 8.0556 m/s.
 
  • #35
PhizKid said:
I used the 1D Kinematic formula x - x_0 = 1/2(v_0 + v)t. The intial velocity of the car A is 44.72 m/s, and the final velocity of car A 8.0556 m/s if it is to avoid collision with car B going at the same constant velocity of 8.0556 m/s.

Okay, that's fine. What value did you find for t?

Edit: Never mind, I see where you calculated it above.

The value is fine. I think you just have a mathematical error in your calculations for a using that value of t back in post 28. Redo the calculation.
 
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  • #36
So yea, I thought I covered all my grounds yet arrived at a solution that's pretty off...how is my calculation different from the ones mentioned earlier in this thread that got pretty much the exact answer they were supposed to get?
 
  • #37
PhizKid said:
So yea, I thought I covered all my grounds yet arrived at a solution that's pretty off...how is my calculation different from the ones mentioned earlier in this thread that got pretty much the exact answer they were supposed to get?

See my most recent edit of my last post :smile:
 
  • #38
gneill said:
See my most recent edit of my last post :smile:

8.0556 + 676 = 44.72(36.875) - \frac{1}{2}a(36.875)^2

36.875^2 = 1359.765625
1359.765625 / 2 = 679.8828125
44.72(36.875) = 1649.05
8.0556 + 676 = 684.0556

So 684.0556 = 1649.05 - 679.8828125a

684.0556 - 1649.05 = -964.9944

So -964.9944 = -679.8828125a

-964.9944 / -679.8828125 = 1.41935401551

Damnit, so I got positive 1.41935401551 m/s as acceleration, which would mean it's entirely incorrect then.

Where did I perform the wrong calculation?
 
  • #39
On the left hand side of the first equation, you're missing multiplying the speed of car B by time. 8.0556*t + 676 = ...
 
  • #40
Oh wait I was using the wrong equation. I'm supposed to be using x - x_0 = (v_0)t + (1/2)at^2, not x - x_0 = vt - (1/2)at^2, since 44.72 m/s is the initial velocity of car A. So it does come out to -1.41935401551 m/s^2.

So the displacement of car A should equal the displacement of car B, which means I did forget to multiply the velocity of car B by the time...thanks

Edit: No, I had to use the subtraction formula with the final velocity and change the final velocity to 8.0556 m/s in the equation. This yields the correct -0.994 m/s^2 solution

Thanks
 
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