How to find deceleration to stop collision with moving body?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a high-speed passenger train and a slower locomotive on a collision course, requiring the calculation of the necessary deceleration to avoid a collision. The scenario is set in the context of kinematics, specifically dealing with relative motion and deceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to calculate the required deceleration, including using distance and time equations, as well as relative speed considerations. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and question the accuracy of the provided answer in the textbook.

Discussion Status

Multiple approaches to the problem are being explored, with some participants suggesting that the train does not need to come to a complete stop, but rather slow down to match the speed of the locomotive. There is ongoing dialogue about the relative speed method and its implications for calculating deceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through assumptions about the initial conditions, such as the speeds of both trains and the distance between them. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in the textbook answer, prompting further examination of the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


"When a high-speed passenger train traveling at 161 km/h rounds a bend, the engineer is shocked to see that a locomotive has improperly entered onto the track from a siding and is a distance D = 676 m ahead (Fig.2-29). The locomotive is moving at 29.0 km/h. The engineer of the high-speed train immediately applies the brakes. What must be the magnitude of the resulting constant deceleration if a collision is to be just avoided?"

Homework Equations


##v_A=44.72 \frac{m}{s}##
##v_B=8.056 \frac{m}{s}##
##x_0=0m##
##x_1=676m##
##x_2 - x_1 = v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##
##a_B = 0 \frac{m}{s^2}##
##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m)##
##x - x_0 = \frac{1}{2}(v_0+v)t##
Answer as given by book: -0.994 m/s2

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I used the last equation on the list, expressing ##x_2## in terms of t...

##(8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m) - x_0= \frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
since ##x_0=0\frac{m}{s^2}##
##(16.1\frac{m}{s})t+1352m=(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
##t(16.1\frac{m}{s}-44.72\frac{m}{s}) = -1352m##
##t(-28.62\frac{m}{s})=-1352m##
##t=47.26s##

Then I plugged this time into the original distance equation to find the distance traveled by the locomotive plus 676:

##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(47.26) + (676m) = 1056.7m##

Then using this distance, I used the formula: ##x-x_0=v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##, while substituting the appropriate values.

##1056.7m=(44.72 \frac{m}{s})(47.26s)+\frac{1}{2}a(47.26s)^2##
##2113.4m=4226.9344m+a(2233.51s^2)##
##-2113.5344m=a(2233.51s^2)##
##a=-0.946\frac{m}{s^2} ≠ -0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##

I have some confidence that I did this right, since the answers match up so closely. I was thinking the book had some kind of misprint, but I just wanted to see if I was doing this problem correctly or not, just to make sure.
 
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The train does not need to stop to avoid collision with the other one.
 
I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
Well done, but there is an easier way. Consider the motions relative to the slow locomotive. That one is stationary; how fast is the other approaching, at first? Given the initial relative speed, the final relative speed (0) and the initial separation, what equation will give you the acceleration directly?
 
Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
That's the right method, but using it I got -0.994.
 
Oh, I made a typo; it was -0.9944116.
 
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