Axons generate impulse or transfers information

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The discussion revolves around the role of axons in generating nerve impulses and transferring information within the nervous system. Participants explore whether axons are primarily responsible for generating action potentials or if their main function is to transfer information, delving into the implications of these roles in the context of neural signaling and information processing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that axons can be viewed as both generators of nerve impulses and structures responsible for transferring information, depending on the perspective taken.
  • One participant argues that the main body of the neuron initiates the action potential, suggesting that the axon itself should not be labeled as the generator.
  • Another participant defines transferring information as the propagation of a signal or energy disturbance that retains coherence and shape above noise levels, emphasizing the importance of reliable information transfer.
  • The original poster (OP) discusses the role of voltage-sensitive channels in generating impulses, describing a cascading effect that complicates the choice between labeling axons as generators or information transfer structures.
  • One participant posits that all processes can be considered as transferring information, even those that appear random, and questions the physical nature of information in the context of action potentials compared to other systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether axons should be classified primarily as impulse generators or information transfer structures. There is no consensus on a definitive answer, and multiple competing perspectives remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining "impulse" and "information," indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of these terms. The relationship between physical processes and information transfer is also noted as a point of contention.

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I know the fact that, if the total strength of the nerve signal exceeds the threshold at axon hillock, it triggers an action potential. But if someone asks me a question about axon being the nerve impulse generator or the structure responsible for transfer of information, then I would say that both are correct. But, if you have to chose anyone of the two, what will you chose and why?
 
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If by nerve post you mean "action potential" I wouldn't call the axon the generator. The main body of the neuron starts the action potential which travels down the axon. I'm not sure what you mean by transfer of information?
 
transferring information refers to transfer of a signal or energy, without necessarily transferring matter. I.e. it generally refers to the energy disturbance propagating through the matter (like a wave). But it also must be coherent, and retain shape above noise levels so that it can be consistently relied on (i.e. you're respiratory system needs to know the C02 levels consistently against a changing baseline, it can't be confused by noise).

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the currents coming into the axon hillock aren't really impulse shaped from a information processing point of view. The population of voltage-sensitive channels along the membrane generate the impulse, initially in response to the current at the hillock, but like a chain reaction, each sub-population of channels after that is triggered by the population before it, so I don't know how you could choose one or the other, unless you loosened up your definition of impulse. Axons definitely transfer information. Before scientists knew about the cascading current channels, they were surprised at how great of conductors neurons were.
 
Thank You very much.
 
Really everything can be called information... Sure from a human perspective some processes 'seem' to transfer info, while others 'seem' purely random, but even random systems transfer info. Really info (in terms of the brain or algorithms on a computer) is not a physical concept, info, as in momentum position, mass etc are, but action potentials transfer roughly no more info than any other system of the same temperature and mass. Our brains are adaptable physical systems that control our behavior, a lot of the time people refer to our eyes as processing info and then sending it to our brain, but really when simplified, its simply physical.

The brain is just a scaled up convoluted version of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEXm4OjOVWY&feature=related"

Would you say the marble transfers info?
the same applies to the brain.
 
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