Balancing a teeter-totter problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a teeter-totter that can rotate at a pivot point, specifically analyzing the effects of a fan's thrust when a person leans back to counteract it. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations regarding forces and moments acting on the system.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the teeter-totter will rotate counterclockwise due to the projection of the side force acting below the pivot point B.
  • Others argue that the thrust from the fan, acting above point B, would cause the teeter-totter to rotate clockwise, despite the universal joint's inability to transfer moments.
  • A participant questions whether the center of mass of the person changes horizontally while leaning back, which could affect the analysis.
  • There is a mention of the horizontal force exerted by the person's feet on the teeter-totter, which may also influence the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the direction of rotation and the role of forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the internal versus external forces and their contributions to the rotation of the teeter-totter, as well as the implications of the universal joint's properties.

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this is teeter,it can rotate at point B
in first picture fan is turn off and teeter is in balance,point A is universal joint..
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/261054
now fan is turn ON and men is lean back to hold fan thrust...
Question is, will be teeter start rotate in clockwise or in counter clockwise direction?
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/261061two solution:

1) universal joint can't transfer moment only horizontal and vertical forces,so that mean that "side force" act in level of men feet,projection of this force is below point B so teeter will rotate in counter clockwise direction..
here is problem that "side force" is internal force in system but internal force can't "rotate system"..

2)only external force can "rotate system" so thrust at fan act above point B so teeter will rotate in clockwise direction
here is problem that u.j. can't transfer moment ,so how would thrust rotate teeter...

I am with solution 1)

What is your answer?
 
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johnrot said:
...men is lean back to hold fan thrust...
Does his center of mass move horizontally while he leans back?
johnrot said:
I am with solution 1)
Did you consider the horizontal force of the feet on the teeter?
 
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