Ball bouncing on the floor - Normal reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a ball bouncing on the floor, specifically focusing on the relationship between the normal force and the weight of the ball. Participants explore concepts related to forces, energy transformation, and Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the normal force is greater than the weight of the ball, suggesting this is necessary for a net upward acceleration and is explained by conservation of energy.
  • Others argue that the normal force and the weight are not equal and that the normal force must exceed the weight for the ball to bounce upwards.
  • A participant questions the reasoning behind the normal force being greater, referencing Newton's third law and suggesting that the acceleration should equal the normal force.
  • Another participant clarifies that action and reaction forces act on different bodies, indicating that the forces do not cancel each other out but are equal in magnitude.
  • It is noted that the normal force on the ball and the weight are not third-law pairs, with a distinction made between the forces acting on the ball and the forces acting on the Earth.
  • A participant explains that the acceleration of the ball is determined by the net force acting on it, which is the difference between the normal force and the weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the normal force and weight, with no consensus reached on whether the normal force must always be greater than the weight for the ball to bounce. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Newton's laws in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions of the bounce, such as the nature of the surface and the properties of the ball, are not explicitly stated. The discussion also does not resolve the mathematical implications of the forces involved.

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Hey guys,
Was just wondering if you could help me with what seems like a simple physics question.

When a ball bounces on the floor, is the normal force greater than that of the weight, resulting in the bloor bouncing upwards?

Or

Is it the case where the normal reaction force is the same as the weight and the only reason why the ball bounces back up is because the balls kinetic energy is transformed into strain energy which inturn is converted back into kinetic energy?

Or

Neither of the two
 
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sanado said:
Hey guys,
Was just wondering if you could help me with what seems like a simple physics question.

When a ball bounces on the floor, is the normal force greater than that of the weight, resulting in the bloor bouncing upwards?

Or

Is it the case where the normal reaction force is the same as the weight and the only reason why the ball bounces back up is because the balls kinetic energy is transformed into strain energy which inturn is converted back into kinetic energy?

Or

Neither of the two
All of the first and sort of part of the second. The normal force is greater than the weight (it has to be fore a net acceleration) because of conservation of energy.
 
"All of the first and sort of part of the second. The normal force is greater than the weight (it has to be fore a net acceleration) because of conservation of energy"

Well ifs that's the case, why is the normal force greater. Doesn't Newtons third law state that for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction? So wouldn't this mean that the acceleration would be equal to the normal force?
 
I think another reason is that action and reaction act on two different bodies. Ball exerts a force on the ground while ground in reaction,exerts a force on ball so it bounces up. They do not cancel each other's effect however they are equal in magnitude
 
sanado said:
Well ifs that's the case, why is the normal force greater. Doesn't Newtons third law state that for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction?
The normal force and the weight are not 3rd-law pairs. The pairs of forces that are equal and opposite per Newton's 3rd law are:
1) The Earth's force of gravity pulling the ball down (a.k.a., the weight) and the ball's force of gravity pulling the Earth up.
2) The contact force of the floor pushing up on the ball (the normal force on the ball) and the contact force of the ball pushing down on the floor.
So wouldn't this mean that the acceleration would be equal to the normal force?
The acceleration of the ball is determined by the net force on it via Newton's 2nd law. During its interaction with the floor, the net force is upwards (Net force = Normal - weight), so the acceleration is upwards.
 

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