Ballistic Spring System Problem

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The problem involves a ballistic spring system where a bullet is fired into a wooden block, leading to the compression of a spring. The scenario includes considerations of kinetic friction and energy conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy equations and the impact of friction on the system. There is a focus on the initial setup of the equations and the need for clarity in the steps taken to solve for the bullet's speed.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing guidance on breaking down the problem into stages, while others are questioning the correctness of the equations used and the assumptions made regarding forces and energy loss.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering both the merging of the bullet and block and the subsequent motion, highlighting the complexity of energy transformations in the system.

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Homework Statement


A 10.1 g bullet is fired horizontally into a
44.1 g wooden block that is initially at rest on
a rough horizontal surface and connected to a
massless spring of constant 97.8 N/m.
If the bullet-block system compresses the
spring by 0.441 m, what was the speed of
the bullet just as it enters the block? The
acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s
2
. Assume
that the coefficient of kinetic friction between
the block surface is 0.554.
Answer in units of m/s.

Homework Equations


The equation our teacher gave us to solve it is: 1/2 mv^2= 1/2kx^2 + Fd
but I've used the equation and it hasn't worked for me.[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the equation above. Is the equation right?[/B]
 
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This depends on how you are using it. Can you show your work please?
 
Well to start off I plugged in everything that I had from the information given:
1/2(.0101)v^2= 1/2(97.8)(.441)^2 + F(.441)

Then I found F by using F= u(coefficient of friction) x Fn(Normal Force)
so F= (.554)Fn which I found normal force by using Fn= (m+M)g
Fn= (.0101 + .0441)(9.8)= .53116
So when you plug that back in you get
F=(.554)(.53116)
1/2(.0101)v^2= 1/2(97.8)(.441)^2 + F(.441)
After i work this equation out solving for v I always get a consistent answer but it's not right.
 
Branson Holt said:
I plugged in everything that I had from the information given:
1/2(.0101)v^2= 1/2(97.8)(.441)^2 + F(.441)
There's a step before this.
Consider the process in two stages:
- merging of bullet and block
- subsequent movement of combined bullet and block
Both stages involve loss of mechanical energy, the first in impact, the second in friction.
So the first thing to find out is the speed with which the combined bullet and block start moving.
 

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