Banked Curve- find the Velocity when static MU=0

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The discussion focuses on calculating the velocity of a rubber-tired car weighing 14,600 kg navigating a banked curve with a radius of 71 m and a banking angle of 12°. The normal force acting on the car is determined to be 168,971 N. When considering the speed at which the car can take the curve without sliding, it is established that with a static coefficient of friction (μ) of 0, the car will slide due to the absence of friction. The conclusion drawn is that the car's speed must be such that it balances the forces acting on it, specifically addressing the implications of zero friction.

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Homework Statement


A a 14600 kg *rubber-tired car moves on a concrete highway curve of radius 71 m is banked at a 12° angle.

(a) What is the normal force acting on the car?
168971N

(b) What is the speed with which the car can take this curve without sliding? (Assume s = 0.)
m/s


Homework Equations



2nd law statements

a= V^2/ r

The Attempt at a Solution



So I began part a by drawing force diagrams and then 2nd law statements. I was left with:

n= mg/ cos@
n= (14600)/ cos12
n=168971

That was correct. I then attempted to move along to part b. I began this by saying that the total force is static friction, therefore:

Fs(the maximum)= Mass(V(maximum)^2)/r
V^2= (mu)*gr


However, with mu=0 then this all totals to zero. I'm not sure how to get around this. Plus, logically if the coefficient of static friction is zero, then no matter what wouldn't the car slide??

Thanks in advance!

~Phoenix
 
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My only interpretation of this question is this:

- The car will slide DOWN side ways because there is no friction on the road. If he went super-fast (over-exaggeration of course), the car would slide UP because of the effective weight from it's the centrifugal force (not centripetal). So you are asked for the speed at which the car will not slide up or down the bank.

That is my interpretation of the question.

Best Regards,
Sam :smile:
 

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