Basic Chemistry problem and I please

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The discussion revolves around understanding isotopes in chemistry, specifically focusing on the isotope notation for sulfur and the process of filling out a table related to atomic structure. Participants explore the relationship between atomic number, mass number, protons, neutrons, and electrons, while also addressing confusion regarding the representation of isotopes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the mass number of 34 for sulfur is derived, noting that the atomic number is 16 and atomic weight is typically around 32.
  • Another participant clarifies that ^{34}S refers to a specific isotope of sulfur and introduces the concept of isotopes.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the calculation of the mass number and seeks clarification on how isotopes differ in neutron count.
  • One reply explains that mass can be determined through methods like mass spectroscopy, but emphasizes that the focus is on the specific isotope in question.
  • A participant indicates they are beginning to understand the concept and asks about the symbol for nickel when given the number of protons and neutrons.
  • Another participant discusses the atomic mass on the periodic table, stating it reflects a weighted average of isotopes rather than the most common isotope.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the atomic mass of the nickel isotope with 28 protons and 34 neutrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding isotopes and their representation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of atomic mass and its relation to isotopes, with some participants asserting differing views on how atomic mass is determined.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the concept of isotopes and their implications for atomic mass without resolving the complexities of how these values are derived or represented in different contexts.

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The problem statement:

Complete the following table:

Symbol: Element Name: Atomic #: Mass # # of Protons # of Neutrons # of Electrons
34 Sulfur
S
16

I am confused how they got the # 34 above S. The atomic # is 16 and atomic weight is 32. How did they get 34?

Thanks!
 
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You mean [itex]^{34}S[/itex]? This is equivalent to [itex]^{34}_{16}S[/itex]. Have you heard about isotopes?
 
Yes that's it. I don't get how they got the number 34. According to the web, Isotopes are variants of atoms of a particular chemical element, which have differing numbers of neutrons.

Is there a calculation they did to get that number?

Thanks!
 
There are several isotopes of sulfur, [itex]^{34}_{16}S[/itex] is just one of them. Mass can be determined (for example) by the mass spectroscopy, but it doesn't matter here. Question is about this particular isotope, regardless of where the information comes from.
 
wait I think I understand what you're saying. It's a given symbol so all I need to do is just plug it in the table that was given to me. Sorry chemistry is still new to me. How about the element Nickel? If the # of protons is 28 and # of neutron is 34, what is the symbol?

We are given a table to fill in the blank and I get the atomic #, protons, neutrons, and electrons. But confused about filling in the symbol part of the table.
 
The atomic mass on the periodic table is simply just the most common ones. For example, carbon is usually the isotope(atomic mass) 12, but if it happens that there are more neutrons in that isotope, that will change the atomic mass. Protons will always be the same, but the number of neutrons in an element can vary. So in your table, they are asking how many protons/electrons/neutrons in THAT particular isotope of Sulfur. So just minus the atomic number of sulfur (which never changes on the periodic chart) from the mass number you are given, and that is how many neutrons are present in that isotope. Just remember that electrons do not hold a large enough mass to be counted, just count the neutrons and protons
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J-Girl said:
The atomic mass on the periodic table is simply just the most common ones.

No, it is not the most common one. Element in nature is a mix of different isotopes, and the mass given in PT is a weighted average of their masses. Chlorine atomic mass is 35.5 - it doesn't mean the most common isotope has an atomic mass of 35.5, but the chlorine is an almost exactly 50/50 mixture of 35Cl and 36Cl.
 
kelsie said:
How about the element Nickel? If the # of protons is 28 and # of neutron is 34, what is the symbol?

What is the atomic mass of this isotope?
 

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