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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities involving intersections and unions of events, specifically focusing on the success rates of various paths represented in a diagram. The original poster presents a calculation that yields a different result than a reference book, prompting a review of the reasoning and assumptions involved.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of overall success probability using different paths and combinations of events. There is a focus on the original poster's method and the discrepancies between their result and the book's answer. Some participants question the validity of the book's answer based on the calculations presented.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the original calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for careful consideration of probabilities in parallel paths, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final answer.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the probabilities calculated do not exceed 1, and participants are examining the implications of success rates for different paths in the probability diagram. The original poster's calculations and the book's answer are under scrutiny, with various interpretations being explored.

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Probability self-study question (please see attached png for diagram).

In the following diagram, A, C, and F have a 50% chance for success. B, D, and E have a 70% chance for success. What is the overall probability for success?

Here's what I've done:

[tex] A \cap \left[ C \cup \left( E \cap \left[ B \cup D \right] \right) \right] \cap F[/tex]

plugging numbers,

[tex] .5 \times \left[ .5 + \left( .7 \times \left[ .7 + .7 \right] \right) \right] \times .5[/tex]

My calculator says .37. The book says .20. Where did I go wrong?
 

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ACF = 0.5 0.5 0.5 = 0.125
ABEF = 0.5 0.7 0.7 0.5 = 0.25 0.49 = 0.1225
ADEF = ABEF = 0.1225

Sum = 0.37
 
EnumaElish said:
ACF = 0.5 0.5 0.5 = 0.125
ABEF = 0.5 0.7 0.7 0.5 = 0.25 0.49 = 0.1225
ADEF = ABEF = 0.1225

Sum = 0.37

So you're implicitly saying the book's answer is wrong?
 
Do a quick sanity check on your work. Look at the diagram. The probability of success is P(A)*P(success on path from A to F)*P(F). Since P(success on path from A to F) <= 1, P(success) <= P(A)*P(F) = 0.25. Your answer (0.37) cannot be correct.

What you have done wrong is to not take into account (for example) B and D both succeeding.
 
For the book to be correct you need P(success between A and F) = 0.8.
 
EnumaElish said:
For the book to be correct you need P(success between A and F) = 0.8.
It is, more-or-less. The exact value is 0.8185, making the end-to-end probability of success 0.204625. The book or the original poster must rounded that to two significant digits.
I gave a hint on how to get to the correct probability: make sure not to exaggerate success on parallel paths. To see why this must be the case, consider the first half of the upper path between A and F: the parallel branch B and/or D. It is incorrect to compute the probability of B and/or D being successful just by adding the probabilities. (Sanity check again: these sum to 1.4, which is not a valid probability). In set theoretic terms, the correct calculation is
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> P(B \cup D) &= P(B) + P(D) - P(B \cap D) \\<br /> &= P(B) + P(D) - P(B)*P(D) \\<br /> &= 0.91<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]
 

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