Basic question about equations of Quantum field theory (QFT)

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The discussion revolves around the equations and concepts of Quantum Field Theory (QFT), particularly in relation to the electromagnetic field and its quantization. Participants explore the relationship between quantum mechanics and special relativity, the nature of various fields, and the role of different equations in describing these fields.

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  • Some participants assert that QFT is a framework that combines quantum mechanics with relativistic features, specifically within the context of special relativity.
  • Others note that while QFT typically refers to special relativity, gravity can be treated as a spin 2 field on a fixed space-time background, though this approach may be inconsistent at high energies.
  • There is a question regarding whether electromagnetic fields in QFT are described using a relativistic version of Maxwell's equations or a relativistic version of the Schrödinger equation, with some suggesting the path integral approach is commonly used.
  • Participants discuss the electron-positron field, with some stating it is a matter field described by the Dirac equation, while others elaborate on the nature of the Dirac equation as a relativistic version of the Schrödinger equation.
  • Some participants propose that QFT can be applied even to particles traveling slowly, as non-relativistic quantum mechanics can be seen as a low-energy approximation to QFT.
  • There are mentions of the Lagrangian formulation and the construction of Hamiltonian density in the context of gauge fields and other particle types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between quantum mechanics and general relativity, with some denying the existence of a theory that blends the two, while others reference literature suggesting otherwise. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific equations used to describe fields in QFT and the nature of the electron-positron field.

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Participants mention various approaches and formulations, including the path integral approach and Lagrangian mechanics, but do not reach a consensus on the best methods or interpretations. There are also unresolved questions about the applicability of QFT to different energy regimes and the implications of the Dirac equation.

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Hello Forum,

The electromagnetic field EM must be treated relativistically because it travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. However, the idea of quantization forces us to treat the field as a quantum mechanical field.

QFT is the answer to that. QFT is quantum mechanics with relativistic features. But we are only talking about special relativity not general relativity, correct? There is no theory that blends QM and GR.

QFT is able to describe the EM field using quantum mechanics. So QFT is relativistic QM. Of course, it can also be applied to other matter fields whose excitations are the electrons, protons, and all other materials particles as long as they travel very fast.

In QFT, are EM fields described using a relativistic version of Maxwell equation or a relativistic version of Schroedinger equation?
What about matter fields? I think the answer for them is the relativistic Schroedinger equation.

What is the electron-positron field? Is it the same thing as the matter field?

What is the Dirac equation? What type of fields does it describe? Is it relativistic and part of QFT?

thanks
fog37
 
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fog37 said:
QFT is the answer to that. QFT is quantum mechanics with relativistic features. But we are only talking about special relativity not general relativity, correct? There is no theory that blends QM and GR.

Most usually, QFT refers to special relativity. However, gravity can be treated as a spin 2 field on a fixed space-time background. Quantum gravity treated this way is enough for all the stuff we see, but it appears to be inconsistent at high energies. In the latter respect, quantum gravity is not different from quantum electromagnetic fields (quantum electrodynamics or quantum EM), which also appears to be inconsistent at high energies, even though it is a successful theory for all the stuff we see at low energies. http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.3511

fog37 said:
QFT is able to describe the EM field using quantum mechanics. So QFT is relativistic QM. Of course, it can also be applied to other matter fields whose excitations are the electrons, protons, and all other materials particles as long as they travel very fast.

QFT can be applied even if the particles travel slowly, since non-relativistic QM can be considered a low energy approximation to QFT.

fog37 said:
In QFT, are EM fields described using a relativistic version of Maxwell equation or a relativistic version of Schroedinger equation?
What about matter fields? I think the answer for them is the relativistic Schroedinger equation.

In quantum electrodynamics, which is the QFT of EM fields, the fields are described using the vector potential form of Maxwell's equations.

fog37 said:
What is the electron-positron field? Is it the same thing as the matter field?

What is the Dirac equation? What type of fields does it describe? Is it relativistic and part of QFT?

The electron-positron field is a matter field (more precisely it is a fermion field), and it is described by the Dirac equation.
 
fog37 said:
There is no theory that blends QM and GR.

Yes there is:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.3511v1.pdf

fog37 said:
In QFT, are EM fields described using a relativistic version of Maxwell equation or a relativistic version of Schroedinger equation?

Its usually done by the path integral approach.

You start out with <x'|x> then you insert a ton of ∫|xi><xi|dxi = 1 in the middle to get ∫...∫<x|x1><x1|...|xn><xn|x> dx1...dxn. Now <xi|xi+1> = ci e^iSi so rearranging you get
∫...∫c1...cn e^ i∑Si.

Focus in on ∑Si. Define Li = Si/Δti, Δti is the time between the xi along the jagged path they trace out. ∑ Si = ∑Li Δti. As Δti goes to zero the reasonable physical assumption is made that Li is well behaved and goes over to a continuum so you get ∫L dt.

Now Si depends on xi and Δxi. But for a path Δxi depends on the velocity vi = Δxi/Δti so its very reasonable to assume when it goes to the continuum L is a function of x and the velocity v.

In this way you see the origin of the Lagrangian. And by considering close paths we see most cancel and you are only left with the paths of stationary action.

The extension to fields is immediate - we replace the particle Lagrangian with a field Lagrangian. The gory detail of how exactly you do this can be found for example in Zee - Quantum Field Theory In A Nutshell:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691140340/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's basically a generalisation of a heap of particles connected by springs to conceptually model a field. It's an interesting exercise I did the other day developing it without the aid of such a model.

fog37 said:
What is the electron-positron field? Is it the same thing as the matter field?

Its the matter field of electrons and positrons

fog37 said:
What is the Dirac equation? What type of fields does it describe? Is it relativistic and part of QFT?

Its a relativistic version of Schroedinger's equation. It predicted funny stuff like electrons with negative energy which could be accommodated into a reasonable theory by holes, but many viewed it as a bit of a kludge. The matter field approach was cleaner so it won out - but it's now known to basically be the same.

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
Its usually done by the path integral approach.
You can use a Schrödinger-like equation es well.

You start with a Lagrangian

\mathcal{L}[A,\phi,\psi,\ldots]

for gauge fields A (photon, gluon, ...), scalar fields phi (Higgs), spinor field psi (electrons, quarks, ...). Then you derive the canonical conjugate momenta and construct the Hamiltonian density and the Hamiltonian

H = \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} d^3x\,\mathcal{H}[A,\phi,\psi,\ldots, \pi_A,\pi_\phi,\pi_\psi,\ldots]

The last step (which usually requires approximations) is to find eigenstates for the Schrödinger-like equation

(H-E)|E,\ldots\rangle = 0

where ... means other quantum numbers like spin, isospin, ...

These eigenstates correspondent to particles like free photons, electrons, ... but also bound states like protons, neutrons, ...
 

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