Basic question on increased probability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of condoms in preventing pregnancy, specifically exploring the hypothetical scenario of using two condoms (double-bagging) and how it might mathematically affect the probability of pregnancy. The conversation includes both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) questions how the effectiveness of condoms can be calculated when using two, suggesting a basic understanding of probability.
  • One participant proposes that if condom failures are independent, the probability of both failing is calculated as .0004, leading to a probability of not failing of .9996.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mathematical formulation, stating that the probability of success can be expressed as .98 + .98 - .98^2, which simplifies to .9996.
  • There is a note that the mathematical reasoning presented is correct, but a participant cautions that in actual use, double-bagging may not necessarily lead to a decrease in pregnancies.
  • The OP expresses skepticism regarding the small difference in effectiveness suggested by the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to calculating the probabilities, but there is no consensus on the practical implications of double-bagging condoms, as one participant suggests it may not be effective in practice.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address the real-world effectiveness of double-bagging condoms, and assumptions regarding the independence of failures are taken for granted without further exploration.

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Hi, this is just a curiosity question which occurred to me when I was reading the Wikipedia page on condoms. I'm sorry to start a topic on something so basic, but there isn't a category on the homework section for "other" aside from calculus/physics ect.

Let's say condoms are 98% effective over a year of use in preventing pregnancy. Let's pretend that double-bagging actually increases the effectiveness by adding another 98% chance of effectiveness (in reality, this appears to be untrue). How is that formally done? I was thinking that 98/100 of the times, pregnancy would not happen. 2/100 times it would. Since it is double-bagged, 98% of those 2/100 would not happen. That means .98 * 2 = .0196 or 1.96%. In other words, 98.04% of those using double-bagged condoms would have no pregnancies.

Is that right -- would it increase the chance of no pregnancies .04%? It just seems like such a small difference.
 
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Assuming the condom failures are independent, then if the probability of one failing is .02, the probability of both failing is .0004 (.022). Thus the probability of not failing is .9996.
 
Note that's the same as .98 + .98 - .98^2 = P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)

Which should make sense since you are defining failure as both having to fail therefore success is either one has to succeed.

Mathematically we have .98 + .98 - .98^2 = .98(1 + 1 - .98) = (1 - .02)(1 + .02) = 1 - .02^2 as mathman stated.
 
The above two posts have the math correct. Note that in actual use this would be more likely to increase rather than decrease pregnancies...
 
The OP does note that in his original post though he seems skeptical.
 

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