Basic Straight Line Permanent Magnet Accelerator

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a basic straight line permanent magnet accelerator, specifically focusing on the factors influencing the velocity of a spherical magnet as it travels along a track of magnets. Participants explore the roles of different sizes of magnets and the implications of using permanent magnets versus other types of magnetic systems.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the increase in velocity of the spherical magnet is solely due to the larger magnets at the end of the track.
  • Some participants suggest that it may be possible to remove smaller magnets and still achieve a similar end velocity if the ball is released closer to the larger magnets.
  • Another participant argues against the idea of continuously increasing velocity with a long line of smaller magnets, citing conservation of energy as a limiting factor.
  • There is a discussion on the differences between railguns and permanent magnet systems, with one participant clarifying that railguns utilize high current rather than permanent magnets.
  • One participant notes that while there may be initial acceleration from the first small magnets, there is no further net acceleration along the rail from small magnet to small magnet.
  • Participants consider the arrangement of magnets, debating whether closer placement or different shapes (rectangular or square) would be more effective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and effectiveness of smaller magnets in achieving higher velocities, with some proposing alternatives while others emphasize limitations based on physical principles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal configuration for maximizing velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the role of friction and energy conservation in their arguments, but these factors are not fully explored or quantified. The discussion also highlights the differences between permanent magnets and electromagnetic systems without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in magnetism, physics enthusiasts, educators looking for practical applications of magnetic principles, and individuals considering experiments with permanent magnets.

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Horizontal Permanent Magnet Accelerator Question
I stumbled upon this video on YouTube:



Here is a screenshot with some colored lines added of the part that generated a few questions in my head that I hope some of you smart folk can answer for me.

magnet-arrangement.jpg


In the video, the spherical magnet (at the end near the two big magnets) appears to increase in velocity while traveling from left to right, with that in mind my question is:

Is the increase in velocity ONLY due to the larger magnets at the end?

If Yes...

a) Does that mean you could technically remove a number of those smaller magnets (red line)?
b) Do you even need the smaller magnets (red line) to achieve the end velocity, would you really just need a line of middle size magnets (purple line) before the last size (green line)?

If No...

c) Could you technically just create a LONG line of those smaller magnets (red line) and have the spherical ball continuously increase in velocity if going in a straight horizontal line?

Last question...

I know that as the spherical ball passes each set of magnets it has to enter and leave those magnetic fields (which is why I believe railguns use magnets you can turn on and off so you don't have to deal with leaving the field, you just make it disappear as the next field turns on, but I want to focus on permanent magnets), would it be more useful to place them closer together or to ditch the circular magnets for rectangle or square magnets.

My kids liked the video, so we were thinking of replicating it while trying to increase the velocity, however, it would be great to replicate in a more efficient manner if there is one utilizing permanent magnets.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Neglecting differences in friction you could remove everything apart from the last few magnets and release the ball closer to them.
MarcusThatsMe said:
c) Could you technically just create a LONG line of those smaller magnets (red line) and have the spherical ball continuously increase in velocity if going in a straight horizontal line?
No. This is directly clear from conservation of energy.

Railguns don't use permanent magnets at all, they use a high current going through the rails and the projectile (or a sled carrying that projectile). The closest equivalent would be a coilgun which - as the name suggests - uses coils that can be turned on and off to keep accelerating the projectile.
 
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mfb said:
Neglecting differences in friction you could remove everything apart from the last few magnets and release the ball closer to them.
That's what I was thinking.

mfb said:
This is directly clear from conservation of energy.
That's logical.

mfb said:
Railguns don't use permanent magnets at all, they use a high current going through the rails and the projectile (or a sled carrying that projectile). The closest equivalent would be a coilgun which - as the name suggests - uses coils that can be turned on and off to keep accelerating the projectile.
That was sort of my limited understand. Each coil would activate to pull the projectile then the previous coil would deactivate to release the magnetic hold and the next would activate to accelerate/pull it ahead until eventually its just released from the final coil at a high velocity.

I appreciate your response!
 
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MarcusThatsMe said:
TL;DR Summary: Horizontal Permanent Magnet Accelerator Question

Is the increase in velocity ONLY due to the larger magnets at the end?

Mentioning for completeness: there is also acceleration falling into the first of the small magnets as he demonstrates at the beginning of the video. But then there is no further net acceleration going from small magnet to small magnet along the rail. Nevertheless, I think it looks pretty neat to coast along a long rail before doing the real business at the end.
 
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