Battlefield Earth and scientology? huh?

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The discussion centers around the film "Battlefield Earth" and its connections to Scientology, particularly examining whether the movie serves as a propaganda piece for the Church of Scientology. Participants explore the themes of the original novel by L. Ron Hubbard and the implications of its portrayal of psychiatry, as well as the motivations behind the film's production.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that "Battlefield Earth" is based on a novel by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, but question the extent to which the film promotes Scientology explicitly.
  • One participant mentions that while there may not be overt Scientology themes in the film, there are parallels that could be drawn from the novel, particularly regarding its portrayal of psychiatry.
  • Another participant argues that the film does not seem to serve as a promotional piece for Scientology, describing it instead as a poorly executed movie with no clear messaging related to the church.
  • Some contributions highlight that the Church of Scientology allegedly purchased copies of the novel to boost its sales, suggesting a strategic interest in promoting Hubbard's work.
  • Discussion includes references to themes in the novel that reflect Hubbard's opposition to psychiatry, portraying it as a negative force, which some participants connect to the broader narrative of Scientology.
  • One participant suggests that the film may have been intended to attract viewers to the book, which could lead them to other works by Hubbard and potentially to the Church of Scientology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether "Battlefield Earth" functions as a propaganda piece for Scientology. While some see thematic connections, others argue that the film does not overtly promote Scientology and is instead a poor cinematic experience.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various themes and character portrayals from the novel that may reflect Hubbard's views, but there is no consensus on the implications of these connections in the context of the film.

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So this movie was just on Encore and i had seen it before but i decided to watch it again. Again, thoroughly bored and i can see why it's one of the worst movies ever. What did confuse me though is that my friend says its a propaganda piece for Scientology. I don't get it. I know who John Travolta "is" and all the controversy when it came out and everything outside of the movie... but the movie itself just seemed like a terrible piece of Hollywood filth like most other movies that seem to be coming out. What about the movie itself is suppose to scream "scientology"?? I asked a friend who is the self-proclaimed expert and she threw a bunch of links at me about what scientology is and how evil it is and what its doing... of course, that didn't answer my question at all and she eventually said she had never even seen the movie. So what about the actual movie is suppose to scream out scientology? at least nazi propaganda mentioned "Nazism" at some point...

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"Battlefield Earth" was originally a novel written by Ron L. Hubbard, the founder of Scientology(the only reason Travolta did the film). I'm not sure that there is any overt Scientology pushing in the novel, but you might find some parallel themes.

About the only real connection I do know of between the novel and Scientology is that the Church of Scientology allegedly bought up copies of the book to drive up sales in order to get it on the best sellers list.
 
The movie! I know allllll about (as much as i care to know) l. ron cucumber or whoever and the book and the fact that the movies based off the book. However, when i saw the movie, it was just 2 hours of stupidity and some god awfully ugly elf-dude running aroun dlike a monkey... nothing that really sounded like a Scientology promotional piece.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Earth_(novel)#Scientology-related_themes
Scientology-related themes

During his lifetime, L. Ron Hubbard maintained an opposition to psychiatry, a viewpoint the novel reflects by portraying the Psychlos as being ruled by the Catrists (a word similar to psychiatrist), described as a group of evil charlatans. Those among the Psychlos who do not share the views of the Catrists or oppose them are subjected to various forms of persecution; particularly, the Catrists use surgical mind control in order to maintain their power base. Hubbard frequently claimed in Scientology that psychiatrists used such tactics to maintain their influence and funding. Early in its history, the Psychlo species had no fixed name, instead being named after the Emperor of the day. The word "Psychlo" is revealed to have originally meant "mental patient" in the alien language, signifying that the Catrists feel (or in any case claim) that the entire population requires treatment as mental patients. Scientology portrays modern society as being the battleground for a war between psychiatry and Scientology for the future of humanity.[13]

One supporting character, a Psychlo mathematician named Soth, is described as having been shaped by the views of his mother. She was a member of a resistance group, referred to as a "church," which held religious meetings secretly. This "church", much like Church of Scientology in the real world, opposes psychiatry.

In one passage of the book, a human doctor recalls a long-ago "cult" called psychology which existed before the Psychlo invasion, but is "forgotten now."

In December 1980, two months after he completed the book, Hubbard told fellow Scientologists that "I was a bit disgusted with the way the psychologists and brain surgeons mess people up so I wrote a fiction story based in part on the consequences that could occur if the shrinks continued to do it." [31]

Space opera tropes are common in Scientology doctrine. Scientology works describe intergalactic battles between alien races and a powerful galactic ruler known as Xenu. Hubbard went as far as to claim that the sub-genre of space opera was merely an unconscious recollection of real events from millions of years ago. [32] He described Earth to Scientologists as being a "prison planet" known as Teegeeack.[33]
 
Pengwuino said:
The movie! I know allllll about (as much as i care to know) l. ron cucumber or whoever and the book and the fact that the movies based off the book. However, when i saw the movie, it was just 2 hours of stupidity and some god awfully ugly elf-dude running aroun dlike a monkey... nothing that really sounded like a Scientology promotional piece.

Well I wouldn't say that it was a promotional piece in the manner of overtly pushing the teaching of Scientology, but more along these lines:

They were betting that some of the people who saw the movie would like it enough to read the book, which in turn would lead them to reading other works by Hubbard, including "Dianetics", which in turn leads them to the Church of Scientology.

They were "fishing" for new converts. Luckily, they used rotten bait.
 

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