Beam Deflection Homework: Missing Moment Calculation for Beam Circled Section

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem concerning beam deflection and the calculation of moments in a given beam section. Participants are questioning the omission of a specific moment from the author's equation and exploring the implications of forces acting on the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a moment of -12(9) kNm is not included in the author's moment equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the author should include the moment in the equation, indicating a belief that it is necessary.
  • Several participants discuss the contribution of the 12 kN force to the moment at various positions along the beam, noting that it only generates a moment at the 9 m mark.
  • A participant emphasizes that the moment expression is based on the summation of moments to the left of section X, while the 12 kN load is positioned to the right, suggesting that this affects its inclusion in the equation.
  • There is a suggestion to write an expression for the moment to the right of x to check for consistency in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the moment should be included in the equation. Some believe it should be included, while others argue that its position relative to the section affects its contribution to the moment calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the moment calculation.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the variable 'x' and its range, as well as the definitions and applications of moments in this context. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on how forces contribute to moments based on their positions relative to the section being analyzed.

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Homework Statement


for the circled part, why the why the author didnt include -12(9)kNm moment in the equation of moment ?
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IMO, the author should include it in the equation, am i right?
So, M= -258+52<x-0>-(0.5)(8)(<x-0>^2)+50+(0.5)(8)(<x-5>^2)-12(9) ?
 
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did the author miss out something?
 
The figure does not include the variable 'x'. But, wherever you put it in the range 0 to 9 m, what contribution to Mx do you think the 12 kN force would make? Recall one definition of moment that it is the algebraic sum of moments on ONE side of a section.
 
pongo38 said:
The figure does not include the variable 'x'. But, wherever you put it in the range 0 to 9 m, what contribution to Mx do you think the 12 kN force would make? Recall one definition of moment that it is the algebraic sum of moments on ONE side of a
section.

The force 12kN only will cause moment at x just 9m, no moment generated at x less than 9m...
But, I still couldn't understand why the moment 12(9) is not included?
 
pongo38 said:
The figure does not include the variable 'x'. But, wherever you put it in the range 0 to 9 m, what contribution to Mx do you think the 12 kN force would make? Recall one definition of moment that it is the algebraic sum of moments on ONE side of a section.
do you mean the x value range from 0 to 9 ? it can't be more than 9 , because there's no moment beyond 9m ?
 
Because the expression for M is the summation of moments to the LEFT of section X, but the 12 kN load is to the right. If you were to write down an expression for the moment to the RIGHT of x, you would get an expression that may at first sight look different, but, if correctly drawn up, will be exactly equivalent (and incidentally acts as a check on whether you have made any mistakes of the kind you are making now). I suggest you try that to reinforce the correct application of the definition of bending moment.
 

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