Bearing race diameter inequality question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of ball bearings, specifically the relationship between the inner and outer race diameters and the implications for friction and slippage. Participants explore concepts related to rolling without slip, the effects of bearing design, and potential friction changes when modifying bearing configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how balls can travel different circumferences of the inner and outer races without slippage and friction, suggesting a conflict in understanding.
  • Another participant asserts that balls ideally roll without slip on both races, completing circuits at different rates.
  • A different participant notes that in simple bearings without a cage, slippage and friction can occur among the balls.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the bearing mechanics and ratios in planetary gears, seeking clarification on the concept.
  • Another participant shares an anecdote about modifying a bicycle bearing by replacing caged balls with loose balls, questioning whether this would increase friction.
  • There is a suggestion that good lubrication may help, and a hypothesis that cage friction could be greater than ball-ball friction in certain configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the mechanics of ball bearings, particularly concerning slippage and friction. There is no consensus on the effects of modifying bearing configurations or the implications for friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effects of bearing design changes on friction and slippage, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanics involved in rolling versus slipping.

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Why is my old Schwinn so slow?
Hello all this is my first post. I am not an engineer, but I wish I was. I have been enjoying watching Dan Gelbart!s YouTube Chanel. His air bearing has me wondering about the relationship and apparent conflict inside ball bearings. How does the ball travel around the shorter distance (circumference) of the inner race and the longer distance of the outer races circumference? Is there slippage and friction where the balls contact the races?
 
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The conflict is only 'apparent' - as you accurately state. The balls (ideally) roll without slip on both races - they complete a 'circuit' of the inner race before they complete a circuit of the outer race. As all balls are doing the same thing, that works.
 
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Welcome, MrMoe! :cool:
For simple bearings that do not have a cage that keeps balls apart, there is slippage and friction among them.
 
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Very helpful. I think I am starting to get the picture. One trip around the outer race = more than one trip around the inner race. Is this the same concept used to create ratios in planetary gears?
 
Lnewqban said:
Welcome, MrMoe! :cool:
For simple bearings that do not have a cage that keeps balls apart, there is slippage and friction among them.

Apology` for not noticing the introduction protocol.

I was detected by a bicycle mechanic years ago to remove the caged ball bearings (usually 5 balls) and replace them with 9 loose balls for an upgrade. Could this actually increase friction?
 
MrMoe said:
Apology` for not noticing the introduction protocol.

I was detected by a bicycle mechanic years ago to remove the caged ball bearings (usually 5 balls) and replace them with 9 loose balls for an upgrade. Could this actually increase friction?
No idea, but good lubrication always help.
The balls-cage friction may be slightly greater than the ball-ball friction in that case, if that is true.
 
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