Beauty of old electrical and measuring things, etc.

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The forum discussion centers around the appreciation and restoration of vintage electrical devices and measuring instruments, particularly from the early 20th century. Participants share insights on specific components like knob and tube wiring, HP 651A Test Oscillator, and various antique light switches. The conversation highlights the beauty and craftsmanship of these devices, with members expressing nostalgia and sharing personal stories related to their collections. The discussion encourages others to contribute their own vintage finds, fostering a community of enthusiasts.

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  • Understanding of vintage electrical components, specifically knob and tube wiring.
  • Familiarity with the HP 651A Test Oscillator and its applications.
  • Knowledge of thermocouples, particularly Type J thermocouples.
  • Basic skills in restoring and maintaining vintage electrical devices.
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  • Research the history and applications of knob and tube wiring.
  • Learn about the specifications and usage of the HP 651A Test Oscillator.
  • Explore the principles of thermocouples and their calibration methods.
  • Investigate restoration techniques for vintage electrical devices and components.
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Electronics enthusiasts, vintage collectors, restoration hobbyists, and anyone interested in the history and craftsmanship of early electrical devices.

  • #601
When you get old, you get forgetful, so I don't remember if I've posted this old Model 83 Fluke Meter:
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  • #602
Who you calling old? I have a couple of those in our lab... :smile:
 
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  • #603
BTW, have you ever tried to replace the fuse for the uA/mA current measurement input? What a weird size fuse!
 
  • #604
berkeman said:
BTW, have you ever tried to replace the fuse for the uA/mA current measurement input? What a weird size fuse!
It was a long time ago, but I do recall. I'm not wanting to open it up, but didn't it have a very small diameter glass fuse? Do you remember when those meters were introduced?

I'd never call you old as I'm the old one here.
 
  • #605
IIRC, the fuse was physically bigger than the standard sizes that we carried in labstock. I think I even checked the local electronics stores, with no joy. I have at least a couple of those meters with blown mA circuit fuses and notes on them to let the operators know.
 
  • #606
berkeman said:
IIRC, the fuse was bigger than the standard sizes that we carried in labstock.
Now you've got me curious. I will have to open it a check it out. From some google searching, it looks like it came out in the 1980's.
 
  • #607
berkeman said:
IIRC, the fuse was physically bigger than the standard sizes
Yes. You're right. They're really large:
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  • #608
dlgoff said:
Yes. You're right. They're really large:
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We used a bunch of those fuses (KTK, KLK) in our Ion Lasers. They're rated to interrupt HV DC and/or high interrupting capacity, hence big and expensive. Full of glass/sand around the filament.
 
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  • #609
DaveE said:
our Ion Lasers
I'd like to see one of those. :)
 
  • #610
dlgoff said:
I'd like to see one of those. :)
Eye safety precludes that.
 
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  • #611
This might qualify for the thread, wife picked it up at a yard sale along with a nice arrowhead collection for $5.00. The plastic battery case is cracked but it works great, ordered replacement cases from ebay, just waiting on them to arrive before using it. It's a model 63TR, circa 1974.
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Oldman too said:
This might qualify for the thread, wife picked it up at a yard sale along with a nice arrowhead collection for $5.00. The plastic battery case is cracked but it works great, ordered replacement cases from ebay, just waiting on them to arrive before using it. It's a model 63TR, circa 1974.
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My parents did a lot of hunting for old coins with White's metal detectors.
 
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  • #613
dlgoff said:
My parents did a lot of hunting for old coins with White's metal detectors.
That's one of my wife's obsessions, along with gold, fossils, rock hunting etc. While searching for battery parts, I was dismayed to learn that Whites recently went out of business, then I found out Garret had taken over the Whites label. I still had to go to ebay to find the parts though.
 
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  • #614
Cleaning up a bit at my mother's house, I found some old electronic parts my father saved. He was an EE (too) from 1950's - 1970's. This one caught my eye. GE 2N107, packaged in it's own tube with a datasheet printed on vellum.

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So, knowing I had no desire to actually use it, I cut it open to see the guts.

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That transistor die is about 3mm x 3mm. If you wanted to make a modern uP with about 20 billion transistors, it would cover about 1/2 mile2.

It is beautiful to me, in it's appropriate context. Back when a single transistor was high tech.
 
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  • #615
Point contact. Wow that is neat. Thanks
 
  • #616
The 2N107/2N170 pair were the hobbyist transistors of the late 50's and early 60's. In the 70's I worked for a company that was still using the 2N1370 series germanium transistors. Some of the old circuits with germanium won't work with silicon.
 
  • #617
And as The Antique Roadshow appraiser would say:
Wow, now if only that was an intact transistor, it would be worth $XXX,XXX dollars at auction and maybe even as high as $X,XXX,XXX but sadly now its worth $X-$XX
 
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  • #618
Yeah, it was sad to see that an antique complete with papers, was dissected.
 
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  • #620
Yeah, it seems only Robots and the @Borg can appreciate the sadness of having one of our single celled ancestors dissected in the name of curiosity.
 
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  • #621
Here are a couple of old beauties. Too bad they don't work:
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  • #622
@dlgoff :
"r/hr"... I had to google for it. "Roentgen/hour" I suppose?
And if so, I guess they are some sort of radiation detectors/radiation measuring devices?
 
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  • #623
DennisN said:
Roentgen/hour
Yes.
 
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  • #625
Are the batteries dead, or is there something about the detectors reaching the end of life?
 
  • #626
jedishrfu said:
Are the batteries dead, or is there something about the detectors reaching the end of life?
I put in a new battery and the one on the left one looks okay doing a "circuit check". So must have been a dead battery. The one on the right still doesn't work with a new battery. :(
 
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  • #627
jedishrfu said:
Are the batteries dead, or is there something about the detectors reaching the end of life?
This old Ludlum (counts/minute) works good though:
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  • #628
dlgoff said:
Here are a couple of old beauties. Too bad they don't work:
Since they are "identical" they should be a breeze to troubleshoot, especially if you have an oscilloscope available.

If that's not your thing, post schematics, photos, and whatever voltage readings you can get. I suspect the combined grey-matter mass here would solve the problem shortly.
 
  • #629
Tom.G said:
Since they are "identical" they should be a breeze to troubleshoot, especially if you have an oscilloscope available.

If that's not your thing, post schematics, photos, and whatever voltage readings you can get. I suspect the combined grey-matter mass here would solve the problem shortly.
I have an old Heathkit scope. If you look back through this thread, you'll see that I've restored many old beauties. But in this case, I just don't want to take the time and effort to restore that old counter. Thanks for the offer though.
 
  • #630
dlgoff said:
I just don't want to take the time and effort to restore that old counter.
Yup. My experience repairing old test equipment goes like this:
You can either diagnose and fix it quickly, like 1 hour, or it's nearly impossible and will take much more time than it's worth.

I also like the "buy two broken ones, make one that works and throw out the rest" approach*. Swapping parts/modules often doesn't require a lot of knowledge or effort.

The sad, painful, truth is that if you just want to make a measurement, you can probably buy a new version from China on eBay for less effort, time, and money than repairing the old stuff. But then part of your DIY EE soul will die with each purchase.

* Full disclosure: I'm actually not that good at the "throwing out the junk" part of this.
 
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