Best Physics Programs for Earth Simulation w/ Magnetics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying suitable simulation programs for modeling Earth-like conditions, particularly focusing on atmospheric dynamics, magnetic interactions, and the feasibility of an object achieving high speeds and entering orbit. The scope includes theoretical exploration, practical application, and potential software recommendations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a robust, preferably open-source program capable of simulating Earth conditions, including pressure, velocity, and magnetic interactions.
  • Another participant suggests MATLAB and finite element analysis programs like FEMLAB, ANSYS, or NASTRAN for applied physics simulations.
  • A participant questions the validity of testing a new theory using a simulator, noting that simulations are based on existing theories.
  • The original poster clarifies that they are testing an idea for an invention and wish to explore the limits of current physics principles rather than testing a new theory.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of modeling various atmospheric conditions and the challenges of integrating multiple variables in the simulation.
  • One participant recommends visiting an open-source physics website for further inquiries.
  • It is noted that some states mentioned could be modeled using ordinary differential equations (ODEs), which are manageable with mathematical software.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the challenges of simulation complexity and the appropriateness of different software tools. There is no consensus on a specific program or approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for achieving the desired simulation outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the complexity of the model, the need for multiple domains with different conditions, and the reliance on existing theories in simulations. These factors may affect the accuracy and applicability of the simulations proposed.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in simulation software for atmospheric modeling, magnetic field interactions, and those exploring theoretical concepts in physics and engineering may find this discussion relevant.

Korona
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OK, I have developed a theory and I wish to test it before I begin making a mock model of my experiment.

In order to do this, I need a robust program, and I am hoping somebody has an idea of what programs I can use!

Basically the program must be able to simulate earth. At the same time i need it to be able to calculate speed, velocity, calculate 2 different pressure enviroments and the effect on the object as it transitions between the two. At the same time i need it to be able to calculate and simulate magnetic repulsion/attraction for both standard magnetics and superconductors. While all at the same time, within the Earth environment.

The program must be preferably open source(IE "free") and i really don't care if its for linux or for windows, I operate both.

Sorry if I am being really vague about this, but the idea I have is something I am not really willing to discuss openly until i am done with this simulation;

Let me know if i can clarify things.
 
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quite vague. simulate what on earth?you will find few general physics programs, being mostly mathematical. For applied physics, you've got matlab, with many modules for particular fields. If it is finite elements you want to do (pressure, magnetic field.. in general geometries),yo mught try femlab, or more particular programs like ansys or nastran.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but is you wish to test you new theory on a simulator won’t this be inherently doomed as any simulator will be based on current theory?
 
gato_ said:
quite vague. simulate what on earth?you will find few general physics programs, being mostly mathematical. For applied physics, you've got matlab, with many modules for particular fields. If it is finite elements you want to do (pressure, magnetic field.. in general geometries),yo mught try femlab, or more particular programs like ansys or nastran.

I see...well, I am trying to simulate the atmospheric conditions(IE Pressure, Wind, and other natural forces, at sea level preferably) All i am trying to essentially accomplish is, will an object I want be able to travel(not me physically, but an object.) to 11.8 KM's a second in a controlled environment, and be able to enter orbit, requiring the program to have integrated magnetic simulation for standard magnets and superconductors, and allow the programming of atmospheric conditions (both for native earth, and controlled enviroments.)

mtong said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but is you wish to test you new theory on a simulator won’t this be inherently doomed as any simulator will be based on current theory?

You would be correct, but I used the word "theory" incorrectly. I forget how that word is used in the physics realm. Really what I am trying to do is test an idea i have for an invention, which requires me testing the principles of which this invention solely relies upon for its sucess. So, i guess what I am doing is more "testing the limits" of the principles that modern physics as we know today have put forth. The Idea that I have developed is untested in many senses, and for me to apply for any kind of funding or patents, I would need to do a physical calculation to see if it would be possible.
 
Korona said:
The program must be preferably open source(IE "free") and i really don't care if its for linux or for windows, I operate both.

Go to www.opensourcephysics.org and post your question there.
 
Korona said:
I see...well, I am trying to simulate the atmospheric conditions(IE Pressure, Wind, and other natural forces, at sea level preferably) All i am trying to essentially accomplish is, will an object I want be able to travel(not me physically, but an object.) to 11.8 KM's a second in a controlled environment, and be able to enter orbit, requiring the program to have integrated magnetic simulation for standard magnets and superconductors, and allow the programming of atmospheric conditions (both for native earth, and controlled enviroments.)
ok. I suppose that it all depends on the level of complexity you want to impose, however, i think that your main difficulty there is making a model including all the relevant variables and several domains, each with different conditions. The programs are the least of your worries...
some of the states you mention are modelable at some level of detail by ode's, which any mathematical package will be able to integrate
 

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