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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed system of numeration using line segments to represent Arabic numerals. Participants explore the clarity, simplicity, and potential applications of this system compared to traditional decimal digits, as well as the feasibility of its implementation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that line segments can symbolize Arabic numerals in a way that is distinct and universal, proposing a system that uses one or two segments from four orientations to represent the numbers 0 through 9.
  • Another participant questions the practicality and clarity of the proposed symbols, arguing that they may be less discernible due to their similarity and potential confusion with existing mathematical symbols.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the advantages of this new system over traditional decimal digits, indicating they do not foresee any benefits.
  • One participant mentions the potential for the proposed numeration system to serve as a basis for a more intuitive representation, comparing it to Esperanto in its current state.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the feasibility of implementing the proposed system in electronic displays, particularly in relation to the number of required pixels for representation.
  • A later reply suggests a possible application of the numeration system in science fiction illustration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and practicality of the proposed numeration system, with no consensus reached on its advantages or potential applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the discernibility of the proposed symbols and the feasibility of their implementation in electronic displays, but these points remain unresolved.

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Consider line segments oriented vertically, horizontally, and either diagonally. The individual segments may be seen as stretching between an imaginary 12 and 6 o'clock; or 1:30 and 7:30; or 3 and 9; or 4:30 and 10:30. Thus give them singly or doubly a common center.

By using them so - individually or dually - they can symbolize exactly 10 characters with distinction, clarity, simplicity and universality. In other words, taking one or two elements (here specific line segments) at a time from 4 elements total yields 10 possible combinations, and a fundamental representation in base ten.

Do you see any application of such archetypal numeration?
 
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erm, a metric clock? sry i don't understand this
 
Loren Booda said:
Do you see any application of such archetypal numeration?
I do not forsee any advantage from using these symbols instead of the traditional decimal digits.

(Nor do I See why you would call it archetypal)
 
phlegmy, I offer how one can symbolize Arabic numerals more elementally, distinctly and discernibly. Four overall diagonal, horizontal, and vertical line segments taken one or two at a time give ten unique representations for the numerals 0 through 9.

Thank you for your feedback, Hurkyl. I call it archetypal because it has the potential to serve as the basis for a more readily perceptible and intuitive numeration. The commonality of Arabic numerals relegates my system to the category of Esperanto for the moment. However, current decimal displays require seven binary pixels, compared to four for my convention.
 
Loren Booda said:
phlegmy, I offer how one can symbolize Arabic numerals more elementally, distinctly and discernibly.
I don't see how it satisfies any of those criteria.

I'm not sure what "elementally" is, nor what difference you intend between "distinctly" and "discernibly". Your symbols are going to be less discernible because they are too similar. | and \ look different enough under carefully controlled conditions, but will be too easily confused in general. For example, when handwritten, or in italics. Furthermore, your numerals will conflict with the existing operator symbols for addition, subtraction, negation, multiplication, absolute value, and even one flavor of division.


However, current decimal displays require seven binary pixels, compared to four for my convention.
I highly doubt the feasibility of having overlapping LED's; you are going to have to break each line into two parts, and will therefore need 8 LED's.
 
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That is what I needed to know.
 
Loren Booda said:
Do you see any application of such archetypal numeration?

Science fiction illustration.
 

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