Bevel Gear Design: Choosing Between Straight and Spiral Bevel Gears

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The discussion revolves around the design choices between straight bevel gears and spiral bevel gears, focusing on their manufacturing complexities, advantages, and applications in engineering. Participants explore the implications of these choices for prototyping and small-scale production.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that spiral bevel gears are more popular in engineering but questions their complexity and potential for failure compared to straight bevel gears.
  • Another participant references the advantages of helical gears over spur gears, suggesting that similar principles may apply to bevel gears.
  • A participant mentions that advancements in manufacturing technology have made it easier to produce spiral bevel gears, potentially reducing the complexity of their production.
  • Concerns are raised about the cost-effectiveness of spiral bevel gears for small businesses, with a suggestion that spur gears may still be preferable in certain situations due to their lower manufacturing costs.
  • One participant argues that helical gears have more teeth meshing, which reduces stress for a given torque, while straight cut gears avoid thrust forces, allowing for lighter and weaker cases and bearings.
  • There is a discussion about the common practice of designing with off-the-shelf parts rather than custom manufacturing, implying that established gear manufacturers have the expertise and resources for mass production.

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Participants express differing views on the advantages and disadvantages of spiral versus straight bevel gears, with no consensus reached on which type is superior for specific applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice for various engineering contexts.

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Participants highlight the complexity of manufacturing processes and the economic implications for small businesses, indicating that assumptions about cost and production capabilities may vary significantly based on context.

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So I've been searching up "bevel gear" CAD tutorials, but all I can find is "Spiral bevel gear".

It seems like the spiral version of the bevel gear is much more popular in engineering then the normal one one.

But drawing a spiral bevel gear, and manufacturing it would be more complex and prone to faliure, while a normal bevel gear needs less detail. The spiral one seems to do the exact same thing except that it's more complex...

For a gear that needs to be responsive and simple, and can be 3d printed for pototyping, is there any reason why I would choose a spiral bevel gear over a normal type bevel gear?

Thanks in advance
 
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Are you aware of the advantages of helical gears over spur gears?
Wikipedia explains is pretty well.
 
See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleason_Corporation
“After engineers at Packard developed spiral bevel gears, Gleason pioneered the machine tools to mass-produce them (with automotive differentials being the primary market)”.

With today’s machines, it is no more difficult to generate a spiral bevel than a straight bevel gear.
See also; http://www.cad.sun.ac.za/catalogs/MachineComponents/bevellgear.pdf
 
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billy_joule said:
Are you aware of the advantages of helical gears over spur gears?
Wikipedia explains is pretty well.

I have touched upon it now, seems like Helical gears aren't completely superior with them having more torque on the gear shaft, which is why spur gears seem to be superior in chosen situations, mainly racing cars and high torque situations.

Baluncore said:
See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleason_Corporation
“After engineers at Packard developed spiral bevel gears, Gleason pioneered the machine tools to mass-produce them (with automotive differentials being the primary market)”.

With today’s machines, it is no more difficult to generate a spiral bevel than a straight bevel gear.
See also; http://www.cad.sun.ac.za/catalogs/MachineComponents/bevellgear.pdf

That is sobering to see, yes I had a feeling they were more complex to manufacture, but seems like technology always wins.

Although I suspect the cost effectiveness of spur gears still stands for small business owners that don't have access to a mechanical engineering team with money for mass production lines. Making a customized helical gear(fitting certain dimensions) would thus perhaps still be less cost effective, since spur gears are more expensive to make until at the level of a massive corporation.

Thanks for the information,

-Jarfi
 
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Jarfi said:
I have touched upon it now, seems like Helical gears aren't completely superior with them having more torque on the gear shaft, which is why spur gears seem to be superior in chosen situations, mainly racing cars and high torque situations.

That is not true. Helical have more teeth meshing so less stress for a given torque. Straight cut gears are preferred for some situations because they have no thrust force. That means cases and bearings can be weaker and lighter but the gears will have to be a bit larger than the equivalent helical gears.

Although I suspect the cost effectiveness of spur gears still stands for small business owners that don't have access to a mechanical engineering team with money for mass production lines. Making a customized helical gear(fitting certain dimensions) would thus perhaps still be less cost effective, since spur gears are more expensive to make until at the level of a massive corporation.
In most cases it's much more common to design to suit off the shelve parts (including gears) than try to make everything in house. I'd guess even a company like Toyota don't make their own gears - Gear companies have the plant and have done the R&D already.
 

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