Bianchi Models and Kantowski-Sachs

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The discussion focuses on the differences between Bianchi models and Kantowski-Sachs models within the context of cosmology. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and properties of these models, particularly their symmetry groups and characteristics of homogeneity and isotropy.

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  • Some participants note that both Bianchi and Kantowski-Sachs cosmologies are homogeneous and isotropic, but Bianchi models are transitive with a 3-parameter symmetry group, while Kantowski-Sachs has a 4-parameter symmetry group.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the terms "3-parameter" and "4-parameter" groups, leading to an explanation of how the number of parameters relates to the specification of group elements.
  • Another participant corrects a previous statement, suggesting that the spaces discussed are homogeneous and anisotropic, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the terms used.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the symmetry groups, noting that Bianchi models have a simply transitive action while Kantowski-Sachs models allow for additional rotational symmetry.

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There is some agreement on the definitions and properties of the models, but there is also disagreement regarding the characterization of the spaces as homogeneous and isotropic versus homogeneous and anisotropic. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the symmetry groups, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the classification of the models.

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What are main differencies between Bianchi models and Kantowski-Sachs models.
Can anyone give mathematical definition clearly and possibly simple form?
 
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Both Bianchi and Kantowski-Sachs cosmologies are homogeneous and isotropic. Hiomogeneous means that for each space section, there's a symmetry operation that maps any point P into any other point Q. Bianchi cosmologies are simply transitive, meaning that there's only one symmetry mapping P into Q. Consequently for Bianchi types the symmetry groups are 3-parameter groups. There are nine different types, corresponding to the nine different types of 3-parameter Lie algebras.
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Kantowski-Sachs
is an example of a homogeneous, isotropic universe with a symmetry group that is multiply transitive. It has a 4-parameter group: SO(3) x R, rotations on a sphere and translations along an axis.
 
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Thanks for your reply.
I think you want to say homogeneous and anisotropic spaces.
 
Thanks Bill_K,

Can you express more explicitly the term 3-parameters and 4-parameters groups please?

thanks.
 
utku said:
I think you want to say homogeneous and anisotropic spaces.
Yes, I meant ANisotropic, in both places! :redface: Thanks!

utku said:
Can you express more explicitly the term 3-parameters and 4-parameters groups please?
The number of parameters in a group is the number of variables you need to specify to pick out a particular group element. For example the usual group of 3-d rotations acting on a sphere S - you can rotate the North pole P into any other point Q on the sphere, and you must give the latitude and longitude of Q - that's two parameters. But after doing that, you can still rotate through some angle ψ about Q, keeping Q fixed. That's a total of three parameters. And the group action on S is multiply transitive - since ψ can be anything, there are many group elements that map P into Q.

The space section of a Bianchi cosmology has a 3-parameter symmetry group, because you can map P into any other point Q, and this time Q needs three coordinates to label it - x, y, z for example. And there is no further symmetry, you can't rotate about Q due to the anisotropy. So the action is simply transitive.

The Kantowski-Sachs cosmology has one more parameter - there's a symmetry axis at each point, so you can hold Q fixed and rotate through angle ψ about this axis - making it multiply transitive.
 
Thanks Bill_K,
Your answer is very usefull for me. I understood many of your reply :)
 

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